Creating a scenario: Rome in the Modern World IV

[sela1s1son]

Yes, I'm making one for Civ IV. Now granted, I have to get used to the world builder, but that's coming together fast.

This scenari *Parallels* real history... so you'll see some famaliar countries in the game that likely would not exist if Rome had never fallen... such as England, America, India, Persia/Iran, and others. I do this for the sake of Balance and to keep the scenario somewhat famaliar.


Now I'm likely keeping all the base 7 religions in the game as the number 7 is good... plus the only reason one of those 7 might not be in is if I were to swap it for the Roman pagan (or advanced form thereof) religion.

I will need assistance though. If someone could help me figure out the spread of the religions (except Judaism, Christianity, and Islam... I've got those mapped out pretty much) so I can more accuretly place them in the game... also the locations of the shrines (even if that was once thier location and isn't currently).

Also how do I rename other civs so when players select them they'll see (as an example): Iran instead of Persia, or whatever else I decide to choose?

I *might* make this scenario start earlier then I had in Civ III. Dunno yet. Although I may need helpy with creating graphics for leaders, and flags. If I can use photoshop to create the flags, I'll be able to do it.

Areas with lots of little countries (such as central America) I'm debating if I should make "Barbarian" (Might rename Barbarian to 'smaller countries' or 'nuetral countries' to dispell the stigma)... as they'd be harder to make into full fledges civs.

LEt me know what you think, and please help if you can! Thanks.

 

[Crayton]

How far East does this scenario go, or is it the whole world? I didn't see your Civ3 iteration but I'm assuming Rome occupies the Mediterranean.

For the Eastern Religions the Holy Cities of Hinduism and Buddhism belong in India. India, however, should be majorly Hindu. I don't know how far east you've decided Islam will dominate, but the Indus is a good barrier. Of course, you can have multiple religions in the same city can't you. In that case, East Asia is Buddhism on top of which India has Hinduism.

You want to add Roman Paganism (or advanced form thereof) so you may want to consider merging Confucianism and Taoism. Rather than keeping one you can merely deem the new religion "Chinese Religion"/"Chinese Traditions" as this will be on a real-world map. China therefore is Buddhist as well as "Traditional." Japan and South East Asia should also have this pair.

This seems like a nifty "what-if" view of history. I don't know what your interests in history are but with some studying you could do a Hellenistic Empire in the Modern World. I also look forward to reading the *parallel* histories of each nation. If you don't mind...*spoiler*... did France or Spain become developed nations? Of course, if you haven't worked the details out, my mind is fresh with ideas...

 

[Lachlan]

You must work in depth your parallel History Background

France should be Gallia
England should be Britania
America should be Nova Terra

 

[Lachlan]

Have you read "Eon" of Greg Bear ?
And "Eternity" of same author ?

Patricia Vasquez discover a parallel world ruled by Aigyptos or Oïkomënë

In 2350 of Alexandros, Egypt was ruled by Cleopatra XXI

This world "Gaïa" was a few backward compared to our world "Earth"

"Gaïa" and "Earth" were two twins parallel worlds !

What do you think ?

 

[sela1s1son]

You must work in depth your parallel History Background

France should be Gallia
England should be Britania
America should be Nova Terra

For Civ III I gave historical names for cities in Europe as the Romans called them (IE there was no Paris, but Lutetia was there... which may not be the SAME city, but was pretty much in the same spot historically). Toletum was right around where Madrid was, so instead of Madrid I had Toletum, etc.


Also, as appropriate, I converted names based of Spanish or Portogeause to Latin. Even "New Orleans" wasn't New Orleans... it was Nova somethingorother... whatever city existed about where Orleans is in Roman times.

So it will have an appropriate feel to it.

I think I will mold Confuscianism/Taoism. I just need to develop an appropriate symbol for the Roman paganism (or advanced form thereof). Would the Tao or Confuscious icon be better for the merged form (Chinese Traditions is a good name, unless someone has a better one)? I'll also need converted graphics for the missionaries, and buildings for the Roman faith. Would "Roman Traditions" be good for the Roman Paganism (or advanced form)?

It's a map of the Earth. Rome will have most of Europe, North Africa, and a little bit of the Middle East (Turkey certainly, probably the Med. Coast.) I think I will make the Arabian, Penninsula and PErisa (Iran) and east Non-Roman.

Mwehehehe, This could get interesting indeed. I'm debating if I should give England back *part* of its Empire (for various reasons). Still not sure.

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One thing I'm CERTAINLY keeping from my Civ III incarnations is a Japanese Empire. In my alternate history, which again... I intentionaly had parallel real history to a degree... I had set up so that the world was very similar to the one we know (to make it more fun/interesting...) so there was a Germany and World Wars. Japan in this alternate history ended up not being in the Axis in WWII.

I am considering departing from the traditions of Rome in the Modern World's I-III and leaving the parralel... but that'd be harder as I'd likely have similarities nonetheless.... then again who could say you're entirely wrong.


How many people woul want me to parraellel real history closely (So we'd see nations like America, Russia, Brazil, et all).... or depart from it while possibly having similar motions (IE perhaps new world colonies still seperate somehow).


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I'm leaning towards rewriting history to a degree. To make it more interesting, and for other practical reasons (IE, while I'd like to properly represent South America... it might be easier to have the Incan Empire still around and ruling a good chunk of it).

I'd like to know what people think so I could mold it more to people's tastes.


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The Choices are:

Very close parralel to real history so many nations we know today are still around (Russia, others). I like this option as it allows me to have Russia, and some other nations which makes naming cities easier.

Alternate History: I completely rewrite history to really redesign the world. I may thrown in more then one alternate event in order to make it happen and also to really spicen things up for various reasons. If I do this, I will still allow for Religions to be pretty much the same as the real world (although I'd like to allow for Roman Paganism (or advanced form thereof) to exist.

Option 3: A mix of both. For example, I really rewrite history, but I leave just enough real history to perhaps allow say... Russia to exist... or England to form.

 

[Crayton]

The 10 greatest events of *parallel* history.

1. Roman never becomes Christian and retains their traditional religion.

2. Barbarians still overrun Britain, France and Mesopotamia.

3. Christian missionaries still convert northern europe and southern mediterranean (Charlemagne forms Frankish empire).

4. Muslim missionaries(armies) still convert Africa and SW Asia.

5. Rome conducts Crusades in the Middle East and the Reconquista in France.

6. The Roman, Columbius, discovers the new world 400 years before Columbus did.

7. The Mongols still bring Bubonic Plague to Europe, therefore Rome finally limits slavery and Europe discovers gunpowder.

8. Scientific Revolution places Rome, Northern Europe, and Islamic Mideast on same scientific plateau.

9. Rome colonizes most of Americannia but allows the Olmecs and Maya to keep their autonomy.

10. Add whatever you want... Japan attacks Americannia? Mali builds strong African Empire that lasts through Modernity? Georgious Washingtine declares North Americannia independent? Simon Bolivar declares South Americannia independent? The Ottoman-Safavid Turks' "Turkish Empire" survives through Modernity?

Suggestions:
Russia should develop as in our dimension.
Civ4 requires a lot of thought on the AI's part, keep the Civ count low.

 

[dc82]

I think one big key is that if England never colonized India and had its full empire - or if the numerous European nations began to spread out - China would not have declined in the way it did in real-life. Rampant opium trading enforced by Europeans and the European influence on Japan's industrialization were large factors - if none of that existed - China perhaps would have at least still had some sort of major control in the region.

 

[Crayton]

good points

 

[dredd3471]

Great Mod idea!!!! I am interested to see it develop.

 

[dc82]

One possible scenario I was thinking was that if the Romans had established themselves throughout Europe and perhaps as far south as Ethiopia - the Ming dyansties could have taken a different turn - perhaps if the Chinese made contacts with the expanded Roman empire, they would have found reason to continue relations with outside civs, perhaps even sailing as far off as America - perhaps there is a colonization competition between Rome, Arabia, China, etc.

 

[Crayton]

One thing to keep in mind is that Europe colonized the world because of it's experience in engaging the outside world via the Crusades and the Reconquista. They were searching for more land to conquer and more people to convert. The Arabs did so much for their first century following Muhammed's revelations, after which, they had little reason to lunge out towards Europe, Africa, or Central Asia.

Because the wild card in this *parallel* history is the persistance of the Roman Empire, you could cite "Holy Wars" between the West, the Mideast, and the East.

On the other hand, I get the idea that this scenario takes place in the modern world? In which case, history is reserved for the Civilopedia. If I were to make any *parallel* history scenario I'd have it start c.1250.