Critique my game, or, how to pick up girls

aneeshm

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I'd like people skilled in social interaction to critique my game:







I was attending a robotics-related event organised by the electronics department of my college. It was open to students from other colleges. A 5-set from a girls' engineering college was seated opposite us. All of them were between seven and nine on the scale.

I broke the three-second rule by around one and a half days (two-day workshop), because I couldn't work up the courage.

Note that all the canned openers are useless in this scenario, because of the different social norms prevalent here. I had to improvise, and use a situational.

I had it all planned out - walk by and ask over the shoulder if $ACTIVITY was going on (I knew it wasn't, so that I could stop there), continue that thread for a few seconds, and then ask to see their circuit board (I knew they had completed it correctly) to compare it against mine so I could check for correctness, thus prolonging the conversation (I'm quite decent at fluff talk) (comparing it would have been a long process, because there were a hell of a lot of connections), all the while injecting small demonstration of high social value spikes, sitting down for the sake of convenience (smoothly), putting a time constraint by saying that I had to return to my friends so that there was no fear of overcarry (which was true), and finally trying to close by finding out the name of the college they attended, and their year and branch. I had a target in mind, too, who I would try to isolate and get the number of if I did it well enough.

I went and opened the target directly, with an over-the shoulder question, facing in such a manner as to give the impression that I was going to walk away any minute, but without appearing restless (I can control my body language to a great extent) so as not to telegraph interest, with the intention of then implicitly playing the cat-and-string game by ignoring her after the opener, and focussing on the rest of the group instead. I did that. But my approach anxiety got the better of me - I simply FORGOT the self-canned material for the next stage. There was a pause of around a second, which started to become awkward, and as I realised that I was losing social value and that there was no way to regain it, because it would take too long to remember the next step, I ejected. Not very gracefully, I must admit, but at least I did it instead of standing there like an idiot.

Also, I found that I could easily get everyone's interest. In fact, the group opened up to me immediately. I had succeeded in building initial/hook interest, and breaking the initial barrier (it appears I shattered it to smoking smithereens, actually, from my post-field analysis). Even without any trying, the girls were qualifying themselves to me. In fact, they were looking expectantly to me to go to the next stage, and that was probably what did me in - the expectant eyes and faces all turned towards me, all waiting. Scrambled my brain.

Hell, they appeared positively disappointed that I didn't progress to the next stage, so it appears that I left with quite some social value intact.






This was the first time in my life, by the way, that I have tried anything like this. I have NEVER approached a set before in my entire life, much less one of such high value. So please keep that in mind before mocking me mercilessly. ;)
 
You're trying way to hard :p Just learn to improvise, like you would in a conversation with anyone else you know. Since you seem to have no trouble getting her attention, that's really all you need.
 
I was attending a robotics-related event organised by the electronics department of my college.....
There's your problem. :p


In all seriousness, don't approach girls like they're some sort of project. They're not - they're girls. Your attitude should be one of cool confidence and competency, and slightly disinterested. If you act like they're some grand project, and you're all interested in them, then that will probably turn them off of you.
 
^^ I was going to post that too Elrohir.

Anyway, I think you are being too mathematical in your approach. You don't want these sets to become the empty set do you? Your polynomial expressions need to be manipulated and you want to take out common factors, and get the greatest common divisors in each case. Applied statistics says the position and spread of the data is important too.
 
stop reading freaking pickup artist books, it makes you sound like a complete nutcase.
 
There's your problem. :p

Engineering is not like that in India. Lots of really hot girls take part, too.

To take an instance - when the college decided to open a Linux group, I was of course the first on the list. What surprised me was that there were as many, or more, girls who signed up for the group than guys. All that time spent hacking obscure configuration files will finally come in handy. It seems I can honestly claim to be the first person whose Linux skills got him an entry.

And scholars are really, really admired if they also have social skills.

In all seriousness, don't approach girls like they're some sort of project. They're not - they're girls. Your attitude should be one of cool confidence and competency, and slightly disinterested. If you act like they're some grand project, and you're all interested in them, then that will probably turn them off of you.

Actually, I'm in the process of building a unified model of human interaction, flexible enough to cover pretty much all interaction, both with the physical environment and social interaction, while at the same time capable of making testable and falsifiable predictions. And I've found that it works. Too well, in fact. Scarily well. It basically allows you to treat the mind as a relation mapping itself to itself, with some maps hardwired but masked, and others conditioned, with still other being abstract or learned. And like any other rule-based system, it allows you to essentially hack into minds, disabling conditioning and triggering whatever hardwiring you want to trigger. Including attraction, comfort, and love on one hand, and envy, jealousy, and fear on the other. I don't believe in using the second lot, and I've never done it, but it can be done.

I'm writing an article about that, and I'll post it when done. Here's a picture (note that everything is connected to everything else, but I didn't draw all the connections for the sake of sanity):



As for taking a more organic approach - I tried that, and failed consistently for my entire life (short as it is at 19 years). I'm an INTJ, after all. ;)
 
Here's a general pick up technique that has served me well thus far:

1. Plan ahead before lifting.
Knowing what you're doing and where you're going will prevent you from making awkward movements while holding something heavy. Clear a path, and if lifting something with another person, make sure both of you agree on the plan.

2. Lift close to your body.
You will be a stronger, and more stable lifter if the object is held close to your body rather than at the end of your reach. Make sure you have a firm hold on the object you are lifting, and keep it balanced close to your body.

3. Feet shoulder width apart.
A solid base of support is important while lifting. Holding your feet too close together will be unstable, too far apart will hinder movement. Keep the feet about shoulder width apart and take short steps.

4. Bend your knees and keep your back straight.
Practice the lifting motion before you lift the object, and think about your motion before you lift. Focus on keeping you spine straight--raise and lower to the ground by bending your knees.

5. Tighten your stomach muscles.
Tightening your abdominal muscles will hold your back in a good lifting position and will help prevent excessive force on the spine.

6. Lift with your legs.
Your legs are many times stronger than your back muscles--let your strength work in your favor. Again, lower to the ground by bending your knees, not your back. Keeping your eyes focused upwards helps to keep your back straight.

7. If you're straining, get help.
If an object is too heavy, or awkward in shape, make sure you have someone around who can help you lift.

8. Wear a belt or back support.
If you are lifting in your job or often at home a back belt can help you maintain a better lifting posture. For ideas on inexpensive back supports that can help support the low back while lifting, click here.

Tips:

1. Never bend your back to pick something up.
It's just not worth the damage that improper lifting technique can cause.

2. Hold the object close to your body.
You are a much more stable lifter if you're not reaching for an object.

3. Don't twist or bend.
Face in the direction you are walking. If you need to turn, stop, turn in small steps, and then continue walking.

4. Keep your eyes up.
Looking slightly upwards will help you maintain a better position of the spine.

5. References:
* "Safe Lifting and Carrying Techniques" National Ag Safety Database, Copyright 2000.
* Giorcelli RJ, et al. "The effect of wearing a back belt on spine kinematics during asymmetric lifting of large and small boxes Spine 2001 Aug; 26(16):1794-1789
* "Back Belts - Do They Prevent Injury?" DHHS (NIOSH) Publication No. 94-127
 
HAHAHAHAHA

You've been watching/reading too much pick up artist. Newsflash: Those guys are clowns. Their names are Mystery, J-Dog, and Matador for God sakes. They are rivalved only by the Tapout crew for biggest doofuses on TV.
 
:lol: excellent post, Till!
 
Helmuth von Moltke said:
No battle plan survives contact with the enemy

You have to learn to improvise (and be confident and all the other stuff that the others pointed to).
And remember this : What have you got to lose ?
9 times out of 10, the answer will be : nothing !
So, stop putting pressure on yourself.
 
My mindset as a 16 year old semi player if you will in London going to college:

1. Do not go for girls in groups, 1 on 1 situations are so much better for flirting with girls.

2. Chris brown/R Kelly/ Lloyd lyrics always work.. like 'im a playa yea its true.. but i'd change the game for youu'

3. If girl says i cant i got work, offer 'tutor' her :)

4. Alway pack a Condom.. always.. even if your going to Church!
 
HAHAHAHAHA

You've been watching/reading too much pick up artist. Newsflash: Those guys are clowns. Their names are Mystery, J-Dog, and Matador for God sakes. They are rivalved only by the Tapout crew for biggest doofuses on TV.

I know much more about those people than you think I do. And trust me, it works.

And anyway, I'm building a universal model, so this point is moot.
 
1. Do not go for girls in groups, 1 on 1 situations are so much better for flirting with girls.

The best ones are always in groups, I've noticed, specially when in unfamiliar territory (like the targets in the case I gave).

3. If girl says i cant i got work, offer 'tutor' her :)

I do NOT supplicate.

4. Alway pack a Condom.. always.. even if your going to Church!

Not applicable here. :(
 
Aneeshm said:
Actually, I'm in the process of building a unified model of human interaction, flexible enough to cover pretty much all interaction, both with the physical environment and social interaction, while at the same time capable of making testable and falsifiable predictions. And I've found that it works. Too well, in fact. Scarily well. It basically allows you to treat the mind as a relation mapping itself to itself, with some maps hardwired but masked, and others conditioned, with still other being abstract or learned. And like any other rule-based system, it allows you to essentially hack into minds, disabling conditioning and triggering whatever hardwiring you want to trigger. Including attraction, comfort, and love on one hand, and envy, jealousy, and fear on the other. I don't believe in using the second lot, and I've never done it, but it can be done.
And yet you ask a bunch of dumbass computergaming nerds how to improve your game?

Aneeshm said:
I'm writing an article about that, and I'll post it when done. Here's a picture (note that everything is connected to everything else, but I didn't draw all the connections for the sake of sanity):

LOL you used paint!
 
Oh for Christ's sake, not another Girl Advice thread...
 
Oh jeez...

First of all the problem I see is that you're treating social situations as if it were some kind of science. It isn't. Its entirely spontaneous and cannot be predicted or controlled. Either someone likes you or they don't. You're either socially competent or you aren't. No amount of math, planning or over thinking can change that. All you're going to do is make it much worse for your self.

Silly little tactics like not showing interest in a person isn't going to work unless you are an extremely good looking and/or extremely intriguing and confident person. More often than not she will return the favor by ignoring you. Is that what you want?
 
Easy solution here:

Roofie Colada.

 
And yet you ask a bunch of dumbass computergaming nerds how to improve your game?

Because this is the first time - note that, the first time in my life - in which I have approached a girl. And I didn't start out with one, I started out with five hot ones, in a self-contained and coherent group in unfamiliar territory, and got entry. And would have run through the entire routine if I had not forgotten it like a fool. And it worked like a charm. Literally.

In fact, when the spell broke, there were a few looks exchanged between then which basically were asking, "What the hell just happened? Did that guy really do that? Did we really react the way we did?" Because guys in India just don't do that, and stuff like this isn't supposed to happen.

As for the model - the preliminary article outlining it will be ready in a few days. I'd like you to check it out when you have the time.

The idea is simple - the brain has a few (VERY few) "base symbols", all of which are intrinsically meaningless, and the rest of the brain is simply a mapping from itself to itself. Everything lies in the mapping. Because the base symbols are meaningless in and of themselves, the more general interpretation is that the brain is simply a mapping from itself to itself, ALL of which it intrinsically meaningless.

Damn simple, you'd think.

LOL you used paint!

No, I used Krita. The original is saved as a Krita project file - vector graphics. Infinitely scalable, I think. Useful when I want to add further stuff.
 
Oh jeez...

First of all the problem I see is that you're treating social situations as if it were some kind of science. It isn't. Its entirely spontaneous and cannot be predicted or controlled.

Funny, I seemed to have an amazing level of control when I in. In fact, the whole thing, including the target's reactions, went EXACTLY as I anticipated.

Either someone likes you or they don't.

Genetic triggers exist to be pulled. ;)

You're either socially competent or you aren't. No amount of math, planning or over thinking can change that. All you're going to do is make it much worse for your self.

You're saying that I should make no attempt to improve myself. And I refuse to do that.

Even through mathematics if necessary, I will win this.

Silly little tactics like not showing interest in a person isn't going to work unless you are an extremely good looking and/or extremely intriguing and confident person. More often than not she will return the favor by ignoring you. Is that what you want?

Ever held a piece of string just out of reach of a cat?

It will go wild trying to get at it.

But the minute you drop it between its paws, it will look at it for a second, and walk away.

Humans are like that.

You have to position yourself as something to be attained by the other party. That does not mean ignoring the person, it means involving them only at the right points, and only enough to create and maintain, till their breaking point, if necessary, their interest.
 
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