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Cuba to sign int'l agreements on Human Rights...

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Che Guava, Dec 11, 2007.

  1. Che Guava

    Che Guava The Juicy Revolutionary

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    ...skeptics, start your engines.. ;)


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    sounds like they're off to a roaring start, but I suppose you have to start somehwere...

    Comments?
     
  2. Merkinball

    Merkinball Deity

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    Why would Cuba need to make human rights promises? Cuba has a fantastic track record on human rights. Cuba is a glorious place with 100% literacy. And they have universal healthcare.

    This, of course, helps us explain away why so many people float from the US to cuba on tires, and inflatable dingy's, and drift wood...
     
  3. Che Guava

    Che Guava The Juicy Revolutionary

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    Yeah, it's definitely not the greatest place in the world to live, but I think a certain US embargo helps with that as well....
     
  4. Merkinball

    Merkinball Deity

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    Crazy Talk! Everyone knows that free trade agreements with the US only end up in hurting the other nation. These trade agreements are designed simply to exploit the other nation, at the sole benefit to the US. It's exploitation at its finest. Cuba is better off without open relations with the US. Such trade agreements would undoubtedly lead to a proliferation of poverty in Cuba, and likely lead to degenerative literacy rates, and a lack of funding for their glorious model universal healthcare program. Castro...might -- even -- die.
     
  5. Fëanor

    Fëanor Chieftain

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    Some people think that it is better to rule in hell than serve in heaven :mischief:
     
  6. Masquerouge

    Masquerouge Deity

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    Sarcasm is nice, but if no matter what Cuba do, you're gonna torpedo it, then we have a problem.

    It will probably turn out to be more words than anything, but in the case that this is actually the first step towards a more democratic Cuba, I say good for them.
     
  7. Strider

    Strider In Retrospect

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    It sounds promising until you reach the "UN" part of the report. Sorry, but signing something and following it are not the same thing.
     
  8. George2816

    George2816 Emperor

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    Hey just like the USA has a fantastic track record on human rights ( torture anyone??)
     
  9. amadeus

    amadeus めっちゃしんどい

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    The Soviet Union also signed the Helsinki Accords in '75.
     
  10. I'm Cleo!

    I'm Cleo! Deity

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    Of course it's better that they ratify the ICCPR and the ICESCR than not, but I think everyone's rightly skeptical that they're going to carry out all of the conventions' requirements. In truth, no state fully complies with the conventions' requirements. But no matter how small, steps in the right direction are still steps in the right direction.

    And regarding trade with Cuba, there are options besides "complete trade embargo" and "radical free-trade agreement." Just because a radical free-trade agreement may hurt them doesn't mean that a comprehensive embargo doesn't at all. :rolleyes:

    Cleo
     
  11. Princeps

    Princeps More bombs than God

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    No socialist is opposed to trade, and you're right, what are misleadingly called "free trade" agreements (of course, they have nothing to do with "free trade", in fact very little to do with "trade" at all: they're "investment" agreements.) are designed to benefit the investors and money-lenders above all.
     
  12. GrandAdmiral

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    If you need to compare Cuba's human rights records to a country like the US that tortures instead of the other 3 countries on the planet then you have done nothing but prove his point.
     
  13. CCA

    CCA Emperor

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    It depends on what you mean by "human rights"

    In the words of prominent sociologist Irving Louis Horowitz:

    "Politics is a game of vulnerabilities, and the human rights issue is clearly where the 'socialist' world has proven most vulnerable, just as the economic rights issue is where the 'capitalist' world is most open to criticism... The debate on human rights can be conceptualized in part as a struggle between eighteen century libertian persuasions and ninteenth century egalitarian beliefs- that is, from a vision of human righs having to do with the right of individual justice before the law to a recognition of the rights of individuals to social security and quitable conditions of work and standards of living"
     
  14. Tabasco Sauce

    Tabasco Sauce King

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    Their is a reason why the UN is called the Dictators club
     
  15. Elrohir

    Elrohir RELATIONAL VALORIZATION

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    Fascinatingly enough, the USSR had a written constitution that guaranteed freedom of religion (And from antireligion propaganda), as well as freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, freedom to protest and demonstrate and to be safe in their own home - the home and private correspondance was supposedly "inviolate". How did that work out, again?

    If Cuba actually does this, and they actually allow their citizens to be free, then good. But I'll be skeptical until they actually do, and I don't think signing these agreements will make a practical difference. They, like the USSR's constitution (Or the Cuban constitution, for that matter) are just pieces of paper. They have to be backed up by reality in order to work, and until they do, they're worthless. People have to believe in them as real, not just an illusion used by the government to say that they have freedoms while continuing to control them.

    Again, if Cubans are given freedom, then that's good. But call me skeptical.
     
  16. Tabasco Sauce

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    Then again... you never know.
     
  17. AL_DA_GREAT

    AL_DA_GREAT amour absinthe révolution

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    Cuba follows most of this already.
     
  18. aronnax

    aronnax Let your spirit be free

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    I dont remenber hearing any bad news from cuba since the... um..Cuban Missle Crisis. Do they even mistreat their citizens?
     
  19. AL_DA_GREAT

    AL_DA_GREAT amour absinthe révolution

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    Not really, Cuba seems rather dead. Nothing seems to happen there.
     
  20. ArneHD

    ArneHD Just a little bit mad

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