It literally sends its own people into camps. Morality is relative, and relatively speaking, my morality system is better. Aren't you just the sycophant? Like, you're not a Republican (as is abundantly clear) but nothing you say is really unique. Or new. Or special. Really, it just sounds like typical pseudo-enlightened hipster leftist garbage. You have allegiances. Just because you pretend you don't doesn't mean you don't. For example, I pretend that I do not work for the Great NSA Internet Forum Army and do not receive a weekly shill check to shill for the NSA, US government, and the Washington Consensus I think this is the most disappointing aspect of all of this. I feel like you, the individual, don't even matter to this conversation, because your arguments and the way you argue them are just so common on the internet that I could switch you out with a half dozen euphoriciacks and not even notice the switch. That appeal to the audience though. North Korea apologia. ☑ "Bush literally Satan narrative" ☑ This is getting boring. You're getting boring. The only thing interesting about any of this conversation is how highly you think of yourself, which isn't that interesting because I clearly think more highly of myself than you think highly of yourself. The only difference is that I don't pretend my gigantic ego is, well, non-existent. You're stumbling around, desperately reaching for everything in the typical high school liberal's arsenal. You're trying, so very hard I might add, to twist everything to an anti-US thing that it is really, really embarrassing. Something you'd probably see on Reddit, to be honest. In this thread you've used every tool, from "military-industrial complex" to "AUTHORITARIAN CONSERVATIVES!!!!" to apologetics for North Korea and Russia. And believe me, those are all really funny, and if there were an Internet Olympics, you would probably get gold for mental gymnastics easily. This upsets me, of course, because I feel like my own mental gymnastics deserve the gold more. Actually, nevermind, I'm gold and you're silver if that makes anybody in the audience judging feel better. But the problem is is that those are funny, you specifically are not. You don't have real views. At least, not views that aren't cookie-cutter to the point of being parody. And deep down, we both know that the average America doesn't actually care. Most Americans don't care that we kill launch drone strikes on people across the world. Most Americans don't care about any supposed moral wrongness of our embargoes and sanctions against regimes against we don't like. If anything, Americans love them. They love sanctioning people we don't like. They love when we take a strong stance against Russia and expand NATO. They love that we impress upon the world our views and beliefs. They love it, and I love it, and that makes me the mainstream here. And that's what I think, personally, is what bothers the anti-US pseudo-liberal high school left. Their beliefs, like the ultra right wing ones some Republicans have, just aren't accepted in mainstream America sorry. America is more likely to have a gay president than a president who'll say that drone strikes are morally wrong. That's just life. That's just the way things have been, are now, and forever shall be. That is why I am able to walk away from this argument so easily now. Because there was no argument between two people. There was just an argument between a person, me, the average American and forum user, and a wall of checklist arguments. So, before we go, lets go ahead and exhaust the rest. 1. Carter was totes a good president and was held back! 2. Vote Sanders 3. End the NSA 4. Slash military spending 5. Le evil Republicans 6. But mah European leftism 7. I'm sure Scandinavia is a point these days so this is part of the list for now. 8. And American Genocide of the Indians for good measure. We good now? Good. I'm out.