Discussion in 'Civ4 - Succession Games' started by Cam_H, Jun 3, 2007.
So we're at war !
Try for Rome or settle the south ? That's a toughey.
I'll probably shadow this one as well but I was going to continue the fight and try and take Rome and then get peace, that should knock Augustus out. I was also going to try for the dye city but was goin g to see what the finances would take.
The Oracle going early in FB's game make that a nervous proposition. To try and get Theology (which would require Monotheism) or just get Code of Laws for the courthouses (or Alphabet maybe for the trading to begin).
Once peace is back libraries all round and of course cottages everywhere in any case.
OK - remind me. If we get the Oracle, which technology should we pop? Theology for the Sistine Chapel? Also, I still think we should try to build the Parthenon. Of course, a primary objective is to ensure that Augustus loses Rome and that city north of London.
well, played my turns.
We still long away from oracle, ex roman city will come online and put marble online, but it is not connected. We have no open borders.
We are not in Slavery! No cities have granaries and only one barrack. we have only 2 workers.
I am really do not undestand how people can choise this save insted of mine.
Did you folk look on cities befor voiting or you just see holly city?
Open borders with Mao and Washington. Switch research to saling to connect
marble, as road will take a long time. Decided not to revolt yet, as it will delay Oracle. MM cities to get sailing down to 3 turns.
Got oracle, took Col from it, even no religion. prerequisit for philosofy, just in case.
Revolted to slavery. Start whipping granaries, barracks.
Whiped library in ex roman city and hired 2 scientists.
Took capital and raise coastal roman city. he agree to handle monarchy for peace at that point, made me happy. Build Panteon in capital.
research went, alphavit-literature-dramma.
I did wander who will produce first GP, capital or my 2 hired scientists, whould have been on same turn. Capital win and produce GA. I settle it in Rome, I think it will made resonable culture city, even he has to mach warter. I think I build NE there and with artists and lot of cottagess it allready has it will be fine.
LB Music, set reseach on construction.
I decided that Washington and posible Mao have to go. I do not like neybors when go for culture.
Got GS and LB philosify, getting Taoism.
So, we have 4 religions in our borders:
Buddism, Hinduism, Judaism and Taoism.
Trade wize, we have all tech AI has except MOnotheism.
So, we got or researched my turns that I remember:
Sailing, masonry, alphavit, meditation, iron working, litherature, dramma, music, Monarchy, CoL, HB riding, Calendar, Construction.
Currently researching currency. I want to be able to get gold from AI.
We in war with washington, took his hourse city. Got GG, settle it in city currently builing HE.
Edit: forgot save
a GP will lightbulb theology if we know monotheism first, i don't think i've ever oracled it. but i don't know how close we are to mono.
edit: actually, i don't know if we're earning prophet points in this save either. and sistine is a biggie. that may be what ozbenno was thinking. may depend on how fast we can get mono and whether we think it's safe to delay oracle, and you know, how much effort that whole war thing (yikers) takes.
Revolt to Slavery.
Barbarian Warrior near Nottingham suicides.
The Axe in Antium takes out the approaching Roman Archer.
gets dropped down to 70%
Barbarian Axe near Nottingham ... RIP.
Masonry > Monotheism ... (heading towards Theology)
An Axe takes out a wandering Roman Archer that's wandering around north of York. There's a Roman settler party to the west of Antium that gets intercepted.
York produces more Axes, while Rome's Settler party is decimated by troops out of Antium.
Darn it! Missed The Oracle! (Banks 96 ) London starts on an Axe, York; The Parthenon. With the influx of .... back up to 100%.
Monotheism > Theology > Meditation
Forces gather to the west ...
An invasion force of 8 Axemen and a Spear take Rome. England loses 3 Axes in the battle.
Forces move towards Cumae the north and notice a mine on a flatland tile ... hmmm. Antium takes a shot at The Temple of Artemis.
Cumae, defended by two Archers is easily captured.
Great celebration! York builds The Parthenon! London 'rolls the dice' and takes a late-game shot at The Pyramids.
Our recently captured city of Cumae picks up Judaism adding another religion to the empire.
Self-researching Theology pays off, and Nottingham becomes the new Bethlehem. The Temple of Artemis is built in a foreign land, but a hefty 292 is a decent reward.
Meditation > Alphabet
Miss The Pyramids.
Nottingham's free Christian Missionary spreads the faith in the culture-pressured Cumae.
Neapolis, the Stone City is captured (defended by two Archers), and Rome walks the path of the Dodo. As the final blows are dealt, a Great General appears and hurries to hill-heavy Nottingham to instruct new units of the ways of warfare in 50BC. We also have an 11XP unit, so The Heroic Epic's a possibility once Literature is acquired.
Cam cannot leave all of those Dye tiles alone, but chastised about settling adjacent to the Lake in the last round rationalises a new spot near the coast. Hastings is founded on the coast near a lot of the Dyes.
Alphabet > Literature > Monarchy
Traded Alphabet for Iron Working and Archery from Washington, and Sailing and Mathematics from Mao. Iron in an awkward spot east of London.
York popped a Parthenon-driven Great Artist , who is resting for now but should be used promptly.
We're up a few technologies, and can easily trade Theology for Calendar, as we have Dye, Silk, and Incense all in our borders, but Sistine is within our sights for now.
London is boosting its population yet running Specialist Scientists for a lightbulb 'down the track'. So, Buddhism, Hinduism, Judaism, and Christianity are all in the empire, with a good shot at founding Taoism. Nottingham's the likely unit pump.
Clearly with Theology, we're working towards The Sistine Chapel in York that already boasts The Parthenon for a Great Artist hub.
Suffering commercially with eight cities - but if the empire focuses on commerce the problems may quickly be addressed.
We're at peace with both Mao and Washington - both 'Cautious'. There's a Barbarian city that's good but not ideally placed on a hill - it will require several more units to take although Mao might get it first.
Congratulations, Ozzy! (May I call you this way?)
I couldn't believe when I saw the message too. And I was the only one who had this misfortune. If you see the best case, in Cam's game, he could found Buddhism. I wouldn't have the chance... I think my machine doesn't like me!
Peace??? Oh! This is a culture game!!! Sorry... I'll try to control myself....
well how's that for bizarre? here i'm actually contemplating continuing the fight for a teensy bit! did we go through some kind of evil twin switch or something?
Well, I got myself controlled!
Let's start with some considerations... I got masonry and saw I could get Monotheism in 5 turns. Oracle would be in 7 and I wouldn't be able to get it sooner. So, another gamble time. Oracling Theology? Maybe...
Went to the gates of Rome and saw about 6 archers and a spear. No good with two or three axes... Waiting for reinforcements while pillaging...
Then, first problem:
This time I don't know what would happen if I finished the Oracle on the same turn of completing research of Monotheism. Do any of you know?
Then it was just a matter of waiting for reinforcements to take a 50% defense of Rome. Well, that didn't happen when I saw a Praetorian.
Cumae got its iron hooked up. I sent an axe up there and got the iron pillaged. Next turn a Praet took it for dinner. Augustus started to send some more Praets towards Antium, but It stood.
Neapolis was taken. That is good. A source of stone, maybe, if we can win the culture war against Washington.
Speaking of culture wars, Rome took almost all of Antium's tiles. Including seafood and the Marble...
After some more time (and not enough reinforcements), Augustus got his iron hooked up again and I saw a force I couldn't stand (two praets and some archers wandering around Antium. I signed a CEASE FIRE. He wouldn't give us Monarchy, so I found no use of a 10-turn peace treaty.
I took a barb city founded on the dyes. Not sure if I did it right, but better be safe than sorry.
York got a temple built and is running a Priest for lightbulbing Theology. If my game got chosen (what I don't think it will), we should continue building up military (this time with some catapults, as construction is one or two turns away) and destroy Rome completely. somehow, he got horses on the final turns. May be on a trade.
Oh! And I traded Alphabet with Mao for IW. I think He got the Oracle, as he's the only one with Metal Casting and the Colossus was built!
Man, I don't think I can handle Monarch level on Warlords. In BTS should I drop to Settler level again????
Let's see the best point of things: I'm not the last one submitting this round!
As long as I can call you FB
You can select a tech that has Monotheism as a pre-req if you finish Oracle and Mono on the same turn.
We somehow managed to win 5th trash game, I guess. I'm a bit ashamed of having to break the rules specifically for my own total trash save, but this excepted, we did well I think.
And congrats to Ozbenno.
I like the "war then culture" games a lot. Not the fastest of wins, but certainly very enjoyable.
We are then!
No, I asked about the Oracle being built on a far away land on the same turn I discovered Mono AND should have built it. Do the player have any, say, precedence on the turn? I think I'll have to replay it home to see what happens. Unless anyone have done this, already!
I think you as a player have precedence, but I wouldn't bet.
No spoiler needed IMHO.
ummmmmm i think the situation referred to is the one being discussed in this thread and the current consensus is ... several people are convinced they know the answer and several of those people disagree with each other. they can't reach a consensus at all! i'm not going to open the spoiler to be sure i understand since i have not yet played.
i personally have always gotten credit for a wonder that i'm supposed to get in one turn, and a religion that i'm supposed to get in one turn. no expections, i would remember them i am positive. i am also a superstitious worrywart, and when in doubt and i have options to speed such things up, i open F9 or F7 as appropriate to make sure they are still available as options ... not everybody does that and i suspect that some who think that they have "lost the tie" in fact missed a message when they were two turns away. here i *knock wood* for my continued luck since i am Queen Superstition.
thank you for the update in our previous game cabert. i actually played it twice, for one win and one loss, but i don't mind the non-mention of the loss. which i imagine does not surprise you . oh and it doesn't count, since it was from a save that was not the one we picked. so never mind that *giggle*.
Still waiting on pigswill (still having ISP problems?), mice, Öjevind and KMad. Deadline is Thursday?
Question on vote tallying, if two people have the same number of votes I know I've got the deciding vote but do I say who the unlucky top vote getter was?
you mean who the one you didn't vote for, but a lot of people did, was? i hadn't planned on revealing that if the situation came up. i wasn't even sure i'd announce that it was a tie and i'd broken it. i wasn't sure whether i'd have to, and didn't want to hurt any feelings, so i figured i'd ask cabert. but since it didn't happen, i didn't.
so ummmm i should have said "ask cabert" shouldn't i? or just not posted at all and let him answer. but i can't do THAT of course
Submission deadline is Saturday afternoon 'our' time. If all eligible submissions are posted, voting can commence.
Usually voting should take about a day, but sometimes it drags into two.
I'd like to keep it to a weekly format.
No need to announce runners-up. Indeed no need to even advise there was a tie and you had to give the casting vote. You can say that voting was "close", or if you're really 'busting to get it off your chest', you can PM the runner up and advise them that their submission did come in second place.
Once again, this thing is about education, not competition. If we are competing, it should be seen as a team competition against the AI, rather than individual competition against each other.
... and we have opted for a democratic system. From time to time the game that some of us considers best does not ultimately get selected. That's life. I've been in a P666 game where I thought the best submission of all ended up getting voted as the 'trash' entry!
Hmm, well, you decide.
Decided to keep going for Rome.
As Confucianism was gone I went for a punt on the Oracle to Construction by teching Mathematics first. Paid for this with pillaging all the villages around Rome.
Missed the Oracle. dammit.
Struggle to Construction the hard way.
Whipped catapults converge on Rome.
Rome finally falls in 25 BC but it was a dog's breakfast.
I get Monarchy and Sailing for peace. A GG is born.
Revolt to HRule.
Washington asks me to convert to Judaism. I say yes, that makes Washy, Mao and me all Jewish
Trade with Washington I give Construction and Alphabet, for Calendar, and IW .
Building settler and workers.
Start Parthenon in York.
Send my settler to the dye spot to the south. Mao has some of that land but didn't grab all the dye or sheep
Currency in 6 or so at 100% . Parthenon in 12, being chopped.
Looking at Rome ,York and London as the Big Three
Haven't looked at spoilers yet but I guess that others have settled at least two more cities.
For me that axe rush was undermanned for taking Rome, but I wanted Rome. Keen to see what other players did with it.
My mistake, I thought the previous to rounds had a Thursday deadline.
I have personally twice lost the race for a Wonder when i was two turns away from it, and on another I lsot the race when it was due to come in the very next turn. AARGH!
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