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Culture & Science bursts ??

Discussion in 'Civ6 - Strategy & Tips' started by JoeBuenoA, Jul 10, 2018.

  1. JoeBuenoA

    JoeBuenoA Chieftain

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    Hi there,

    Hope you can help me with this! I cannot get my head around how bursts of Culture and Science work since those yields are always presented as 'per turn' (in contrast with Faith or Gold which accumulate and can be spent). For example, Gorgo's ability or the burst of Science granted by some Great Scientists. The only info that the UI offers about this is 'at standard speed rate' or something similar.

    Thanks in advance! :)
     
  2. liv

    liv Warlord

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    Are you asking what happens with your boost if you have to carry it over to the next turn? the science from a great scientist carries over (although if you get an eureka while trying to carry it over it gets wiped out. Other boosts will not carry over. I think that is true for Gorgo's kill boost or Macedon's science so you have to make sure that you are working on a civic/science with enough turns left to finish so the boost can be used
     
  3. JoeBuenoA

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    Right, ok, I understand. So basically if the burst of Science granted by a Great Scientist goes over the completion of a certain Tech, it will count towards the next one I choose to develop; whereas with Gorgo's Culture burst with each kill or Macedon's Science burst with each military unit, if it surpasses the Tech/Civic, it won't count towards the next one. Have I understood it well?

    An example:
    I claim Galileo Galilei (ability: 250 Science for each adjacent tile) and when I activate his ability I gain say 500 Science (2 Mountain tiles).
    I am researching Metal Casting (cost of 660 Science) and I've already researched half of it (330 worth of Science).
    When I receive the burst of 500 Science, Metal Casting gets completed, and I have a surplus of 170 Science from Galileo's ability.
    Then I start researching Ballistics (cost of 840 Science), it will only take me the equivalent in turns of 670 Science (840-170), correct?

    Whereas if that happens with Macedon's Science burst, I will lose the 'surplus'.

    What exactly do you mean by 'while trying to carry it over' in 'if you get an eureka while trying to carry it over it gets wiped out'??

    My original question was a step previous to all this, though. I was not sure how the burst applies, whether it is instantly on that turn (as it seems to be according to this explanation) or over the course of a few turns (which I couldn't get my head around).
    Hope my message is not too confusing. Thanks a lot!
     
  4. Hactar

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    The term to search here is "overflow". It really is one of the most important "features" of the game so it's good to understand it.

    Normally any overflow (production, science, culture etc.) when you finish something is carried over to the next turn. So you're building a unit, you have 5 production left on it (75/80 for example) and your city produces 10 per turn. At the end of that turn your unit will be done and there will be 5 overflow which will be applied to whatever you choose to build starting on the next turn.

    Similar thing for science and culture. When you finish a tech or civic, you will have some overflow science or culture from the previous turn.

    The important thing to note is the bug/feature/misfeature where if you receive any "instant" source of science or culture, it wipes out all the overflow for that yield. This applies to pillaging, Gorgo's culture on kill, doing anything to cause a eureka or inspiration etc. So if you pop a great scientist and finish a tech, the next turn you may have hundreds of science in overflow. DO NOT pillage a campus, build or upgrade a unit to get a boost etc. or ALL that overflow will be lost. The same applies to "regular" overflow from the previous turn - on the turn you have just finished a tech or civic, it's better not to do any pillaging, popping goody huts etc. because any overflow will be lost. It's a smaller amount so not as big a deal as great scientists, but hey, we like min maxing around here :)

    As to how "instant" culture or science is applied - it's all applied at once, and any unused portion should be applied to the next thing you research starting next turn, subject to the above caveat. It's so easy to waste large amounts of overflow without thinking about it. Sometimes it's not even under your control. (You captured or built the Great Library; some other civ buys a Great Scientist and you get a eureka at some random time...)
     
  5. JoeBuenoA

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    Right, I see. Very clear explanation, Hactar. Thanks for your help, both of you!
    It is indeed very tricky to try not to wipe out some overflow with a burst. I will have to keep an eye on it now; especially since I'm about to start my first game towards a Domination victory, playing Alexander (lots of pillaging and Science bursts expected haha).
     

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