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DaftNES 2: Throne of Destiny
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I had evil time outs preventing me from sending. But it is succesfully sent0r3d now.
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Fuschia
A Little Odd
Addresses to the Asturian Council
"This is the dawn of a new age, and the world shall soon be thrown into another age, one of blood and chaos. The most important goal of the Asturian League in the times of trouble ahead must be the Asturian League; we shall no longer be subservient to the larger Thulean nations of the north, who little care for the sovereignty of the Asturian League."
"Our sovereignty is, as of yet, our most precious resource. Our fragile grip on our independence is the result of our practical slavery to the northern Thulean states. However, this is at an end; we are not only Thulean, we are also Asturian and we must be proud of this fact. We, as members of this Council, have decided that we are Asturian first and Thulean second. We must spread this concept to the people so as to guarantee our national identity."
"The end is coming, and in that end we will not be accounted as Thuleans, or as Asturians. We will be judged only on the worthiness of our deeds, both as a
nation and as individuals, and great deeds are never accomplished in service to another. It is important that we realize this, for all of our deeds in service to other nations will not account for the smallest of triumphs when the end comes. We are doing nothing but ensuring that others will make up the majority of the Final God. This must be prevented by coalescence into a truly independent state!"
OOC: The address is only a small portion of the speeches given by every member of the Asturian Council at the beginning of every year. Those written were spoken by three different Councilors, although together they convene the general sentiment of the Council.
To: Sturmhaus, The Daran League
From: The Asturian League
We are, all of us, nations descended from the Thulean colonization of our lands. It is important, however, to realize that we are independent from our origins and not a part of the Yssian Republic, or the Hebridean League, or any of those larger Thulean nations in the northern Euris Ocean.
As such, we wish to enter into a formal alliance that shall contain only those nations that are both Thulean and based within the southern Euris Ocean: Sturmhaus, the Daran League, and ourselves. This alliance would be titled the Southern Thulean Alliance, and its purpose would be two-fold: to protect Thulean domination over the southern portion of the Euris Ocean, and to guarantee our continued independence from other Thulean states.
While we would exclude our larger northern neighbors from membership in this alliance, we would continue to encourage good relationships with them. Our purpose is not to oppose other Thulean nations but to guarantee that our sovereignty will not be infringed upon in the continuance of such good relations.
"This is the dawn of a new age, and the world shall soon be thrown into another age, one of blood and chaos. The most important goal of the Asturian League in the times of trouble ahead must be the Asturian League; we shall no longer be subservient to the larger Thulean nations of the north, who little care for the sovereignty of the Asturian League."
"Our sovereignty is, as of yet, our most precious resource. Our fragile grip on our independence is the result of our practical slavery to the northern Thulean states. However, this is at an end; we are not only Thulean, we are also Asturian and we must be proud of this fact. We, as members of this Council, have decided that we are Asturian first and Thulean second. We must spread this concept to the people so as to guarantee our national identity."
"The end is coming, and in that end we will not be accounted as Thuleans, or as Asturians. We will be judged only on the worthiness of our deeds, both as a
nation and as individuals, and great deeds are never accomplished in service to another. It is important that we realize this, for all of our deeds in service to other nations will not account for the smallest of triumphs when the end comes. We are doing nothing but ensuring that others will make up the majority of the Final God. This must be prevented by coalescence into a truly independent state!"
OOC: The address is only a small portion of the speeches given by every member of the Asturian Council at the beginning of every year. Those written were spoken by three different Councilors, although together they convene the general sentiment of the Council.
To: Sturmhaus, The Daran League
From: The Asturian League
We are, all of us, nations descended from the Thulean colonization of our lands. It is important, however, to realize that we are independent from our origins and not a part of the Yssian Republic, or the Hebridean League, or any of those larger Thulean nations in the northern Euris Ocean.
As such, we wish to enter into a formal alliance that shall contain only those nations that are both Thulean and based within the southern Euris Ocean: Sturmhaus, the Daran League, and ourselves. This alliance would be titled the Southern Thulean Alliance, and its purpose would be two-fold: to protect Thulean domination over the southern portion of the Euris Ocean, and to guarantee our continued independence from other Thulean states.
While we would exclude our larger northern neighbors from membership in this alliance, we would continue to encourage good relationships with them. Our purpose is not to oppose other Thulean nations but to guarantee that our sovereignty will not be infringed upon in the continuance of such good relations.
Daftpanzer
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@JosefStalinator, PM#2 sent!
@Fuschia, great story!
Although, I should say, the average Asturian people wouldn't have any real hostility towards the northern countries. There would be some slight paranoia and fear among some of the aristocracy about eventually losing their powers to Ys, but others might even stand to gain something if annexation occured.
So yes, basically, this kind of patriotism will take some engineering, which this story will help with.
I dread to think was Disenfrancised would say about this!
To: Asturian League
From: Daran League
We thank you for this proposal, however we do not see the wisdom in it. We see nothing to gain, and much to lose. It is our belief that we should nurture alliances and goodwill between our whole brotherhood of peoples, not cause divisions. We depend on each other in these uncertain times!
To: Asturian League
From: Sturmhaus
Your idea is interesting. We do understand your position, and hope that we can cooperate in future. However, ultimately, we see little to gain by alienating our major trading partners.
@Fuschia, great story!
Although, I should say, the average Asturian people wouldn't have any real hostility towards the northern countries. There would be some slight paranoia and fear among some of the aristocracy about eventually losing their powers to Ys, but others might even stand to gain something if annexation occured.
So yes, basically, this kind of patriotism will take some engineering, which this story will help with.
I dread to think was Disenfrancised would say about this!
To: Asturian League
From: Daran League
We thank you for this proposal, however we do not see the wisdom in it. We see nothing to gain, and much to lose. It is our belief that we should nurture alliances and goodwill between our whole brotherhood of peoples, not cause divisions. We depend on each other in these uncertain times!
To: Asturian League
From: Sturmhaus
Your idea is interesting. We do understand your position, and hope that we can cooperate in future. However, ultimately, we see little to gain by alienating our major trading partners.
Ekolite
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Extract from Prince Gustharii's Speech to the Guild Council.
My friends, a New Age is dawning. Our lands have a long history and that will not be forgotten. Our ancestors fought long and hard for the control of these lands, defending them from the Saxonguille Kingdoms and then later the Holy Rovien Empire. Yet now, we must strive to live with these old enemies in peace and harmony, a feat that will surely please the Final God on judgement day. It was not lond ago that the Thulean League, an alliance between the Ysians and the Picts, colonized the new world and brought back great wealth to Our cities and still trade from all over the world, flows into the The Great Harbour even though our great league has been divided and plunged into chaos. We should attempt to maintain good relations with the independent colonies so we all may prosper from our trade partnerships.
Further, we shall allow all faiths to live within our lands, if they would do so in peace. We shall not follow the Rovien example, we will not subjugate or prosecute any religion that lives within our borders. Whilst we will not act against religious fanatics internationally, religious fanaticsim of any religion, within our own borders is not to be tolerated and will be strongly discouraged. We encourage all subjugated Ultimists within the Kingdom of Rove to migrate to our Republic, our borders will be open to them and they will recieve financial support if the council decides it is neccessary. I hope we will have King Phillip's co-operation in this matter.
To the Asturian League:
We are disspointed that you would see the end to co-operation between the Thulean States. I am amazed that a nation ruled by Pro-Thulean Republicans would come to such a decision.
My friends, a New Age is dawning. Our lands have a long history and that will not be forgotten. Our ancestors fought long and hard for the control of these lands, defending them from the Saxonguille Kingdoms and then later the Holy Rovien Empire. Yet now, we must strive to live with these old enemies in peace and harmony, a feat that will surely please the Final God on judgement day. It was not lond ago that the Thulean League, an alliance between the Ysians and the Picts, colonized the new world and brought back great wealth to Our cities and still trade from all over the world, flows into the The Great Harbour even though our great league has been divided and plunged into chaos. We should attempt to maintain good relations with the independent colonies so we all may prosper from our trade partnerships.
Further, we shall allow all faiths to live within our lands, if they would do so in peace. We shall not follow the Rovien example, we will not subjugate or prosecute any religion that lives within our borders. Whilst we will not act against religious fanatics internationally, religious fanaticsim of any religion, within our own borders is not to be tolerated and will be strongly discouraged. We encourage all subjugated Ultimists within the Kingdom of Rove to migrate to our Republic, our borders will be open to them and they will recieve financial support if the council decides it is neccessary. I hope we will have King Phillip's co-operation in this matter.
To the Asturian League:
We are disspointed that you would see the end to co-operation between the Thulean States. I am amazed that a nation ruled by Pro-Thulean Republicans would come to such a decision.
Fuschia
A Little Odd
OOC: It is not an end to cooperation between the Thuleans, or any hostility towards the other Thulean states. I was fairly sure I had made that clear in the story, but I will do so now: the Asturian League is now defending its sovereignty. It will do everything within its power to help the other Thulean nations without allowing any infringement on its sovereignty. No hostility, no end to cooperation...
To: Daran League
From: Asturian League
You have everything to gain and nothing to lose. This alliance is not a replacement to the Thulean League, but a supplement. Its goal is not to alienate the other members of the League but to ensure that the smaller members of the League are not devoured by the larger members. Think about it a little more, perhaps?
To: Sturmhaus
From: Asturian League
The Asturian League does not wish to alienate our trading partners. In no way will we be opposing the Thulean League or its members. This alliance is not a replacement of the League, but a supplement, to ensure the sovereignty of its smallest members. Take some time, perhaps reconsider your refusal.
To: Daran League
From: Asturian League
You have everything to gain and nothing to lose. This alliance is not a replacement to the Thulean League, but a supplement. Its goal is not to alienate the other members of the League but to ensure that the smaller members of the League are not devoured by the larger members. Think about it a little more, perhaps?
To: Sturmhaus
From: Asturian League
The Asturian League does not wish to alienate our trading partners. In no way will we be opposing the Thulean League or its members. This alliance is not a replacement of the League, but a supplement, to ensure the sovereignty of its smallest members. Take some time, perhaps reconsider your refusal.
Ekolite
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To: Former Thulean League Members
The republic of Ys sees no need what-so-ever for this alliance. We are currently in no position to ''devour'' our friends, neither are the Vancussi League or Ceinurissian Aonsaise.
To: The Kingdom of Rove
Please state your position on the migration of Ultimists from Rove into Ys at your earliest convinience. Thank you.
The republic of Ys sees no need what-so-ever for this alliance. We are currently in no position to ''devour'' our friends, neither are the Vancussi League or Ceinurissian Aonsaise.
To: The Kingdom of Rove
Please state your position on the migration of Ultimists from Rove into Ys at your earliest convinience. Thank you.
Luckymoose
The World is Mine
You're going to take them and like it boy.
Fuschia
A Little Odd
To: The Yssian Republic
From: The Asturian League
If you are in no position to absorb us, then you should have no objection to such a treaty. The proposed alliance in no way weakens your position; in fact, it strengthens it as your allies grow closer together. The only way in which it opposes your interests is if you are planning to attempt reunification in the near future.
From: The Asturian League
If you are in no position to absorb us, then you should have no objection to such a treaty. The proposed alliance in no way weakens your position; in fact, it strengthens it as your allies grow closer together. The only way in which it opposes your interests is if you are planning to attempt reunification in the near future.
JosefStalinator
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To: Former Thulean League Members, Yssian Republic
From Vancuissi
Are you cancelling our pre-existing alliances and agreements of mutual protection?
OOC: We were under the impression, given by Daft, that there are still considerably guarantees of defense among the Thulean nations, as ineffective as they may or may not be.
From Vancuissi
Are you cancelling our pre-existing alliances and agreements of mutual protection?
OOC: We were under the impression, given by Daft, that there are still considerably guarantees of defense among the Thulean nations, as ineffective as they may or may not be.
Fuschia
A Little Odd
To: Vancuissi
From: The Asturian League
If the old alliances are no longer in effect, the Asturian League would be more than happy to form new ones.
OOC: I was fairly sure that the alliance, as it was, is now just unofficial(check the first page under alliances). As such, some paperwork would probably be needed to make it official.
From: The Asturian League
If the old alliances are no longer in effect, the Asturian League would be more than happy to form new ones.
OOC: I was fairly sure that the alliance, as it was, is now just unofficial(check the first page under alliances). As such, some paperwork would probably be needed to make it official.
JosefStalinator
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OOC: Unofficial probably isn't the right word; more like noncommittal. In name only that is
. After we hear the verdict on its status we'll consider your proposal for renewal.
Disenfrancised
Beep Beep
Of course we would never cancel our agreements to stand by our brothers in arms and in blood! We only worry about if our individual capabilities would be sufficent to aide in a situation.
OOC: Yeah they are still there, but I think everyone reserves the right to look to their own defense first
. I think any attempt to take over a realm without open consent would bring the full fury of the Yssosphere down on the offenders , sorta like Australia taking over NZ wouldn't be tolerated by Britain, Canada or the US. Also Fuschia attempts at patriotism would in my opinion be judged...ill by those of the Thulean world who think on such matters, considering how much blood and treasure was spent to free the Asturians during the great war simply because they were of Ys. Also wonking about all over the ocean when they should be doing their job of maintaining influence in straits so that all Thulean traders can benefit (and them with it) would be worrying. Despite Fuschia's high sounding words this would certainly alienate the powers that be. Weak powers seek to change the structure of the current set up to be more fair to them - starting your own cliche will get you nothing but trouble.
Also your own people would be worried about this reaching across the ocean to the Yihamco - Asturian wealth comes from the commanding position in the straits and trade with the Thulean world, thus trade deals with direct competitors, and taking efforts away from straits security...
Fuschia
A Little Odd
The fact is, they may have freed us, but they do not control what it is we decide to do.
Who said anything about the rest of the ocean? The first goal of the Asturian League is to guarantee its sovereignty and independence, which necessarily requires strong control over itself before moving on to anywhere else.
Depending on what action you are referring to, either we are not doing it or we do not care if we alienate "the powers that be" for the moment. The most important thing to the Asturian League is the Asturian League, and then the Thuleans, not the other way around.
On another note, I'm flattered at the compliment. "High sounding?" Really?
Again, no reaching across the ocean. The first priority of the Asturian League is itself, and that includes control of its territorial waters and continued revenue from any sources of wealth it may currently have access to.
OOC: It is good to know that the alliances and such are still formal between the Thuleans. Means I have no need to write anything else down...
Disenfrancised
Beep Beep
I'm talking about your blathering with Sturmhaus - thats misplacing your efforts for sure. A strong and properly focused Asturias is to benefit of all Thuleans, do not waste your energies on reinventing the wheel or petty victories.
Also, 'strong control over itself'? The Thulean world has always fought against those who oppress the Thulean peoples, be they tyrants foreign or homegrown - a council is the Summation of the Peoples Present Will, just as the Final god is the summation of their will and deeds over all time, if they think one way it is not in a councillers remit to force his views on the body politic.
Fuschia
A Little Odd
The Asturian League's "blathering" with Sturmhaus was in the interest of providing for the continued independence of the Asturian League from its larger Thulean counterparts. A more coordinated alliance between the smaller Thulean nations would further guarantee cooperation between the Thuleans as a whole, as well as the independence and sovereignty of the smaller Thulean nations. Your opposition to such an alliance shows that you plan to, at some point, on reabsorbing these smaller nations, you wish to prevent cooperation between the Thuleans, or you are simply not thinking it through with a clear mind. Which is it?
The top priority of the Asturian League is to guarantee its sovereignty and independence; we do not believe that the other Thulean nations necessarily hold this in as high a regard as we would like, as there have been times in the past where they would have readily absorbed our League for the betterment of themselves. While it is true that the Thuleans will fight against those who oppress the Thulean peoples, but that does not mean they will fight against those who would revoke the independence of the Asturian League.
JosefStalinator
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To Asturia, Aionaisse, Yssian Republic
From Vancuissi
Our brothers in Asturia, though admirably committed to the advancement of their nation, are going against the will of their own people and hurting the Thulean people as a whole. We ask that you please refrain from the harsh words against your brethren of both faith and culture, as your actions only weaken our people and strengthen our enemies.
Vancuissi's committment to our alliances and ties remains strong, and it would sadden us greatly if a rift were to develop between our great nations despite our common histories and heritage.
From Vancuissi
Our brothers in Asturia, though admirably committed to the advancement of their nation, are going against the will of their own people and hurting the Thulean people as a whole. We ask that you please refrain from the harsh words against your brethren of both faith and culture, as your actions only weaken our people and strengthen our enemies.
Vancuissi's committment to our alliances and ties remains strong, and it would sadden us greatly if a rift were to develop between our great nations despite our common histories and heritage.
Fuschia
A Little Odd
To: Vancuissi
From: The Asturian League
Harsh words often arise in meaningful and important debate. If they did not, then things would never come to a close. It is the sign of healthy relations that I do not worry as to using harsh words in a discussion with the Ceinurissian Aonsaise, and neither do they. Do not worry yourself over discussion, as words mean little; it is only actions that matter, and the Asturian League will never move against a Thulean nation that is not acting in open aggression towards it.
We are glad that the Vancuissi are so concerned as to Thulean relations, and are glad that we have such a devoted ally; however, to state that advancing our nations interests is a damage to the progress of the Thulean people is absurd. We are Thulean, just as you are. To say that one Thulean nation is to be allowed to advance its own agenda and not another is to be little more than blatantly unfair. Any advancement of the Asturian League will be a benefit to the Thulean people, as we are Thulean and will remain in good relations with other Thulean nations, provided they recognize the Asturian League's need for self advancement as a support of their cause as well as the cause of the Asturian League.
As for going against the will of our people, we only do this if you listen to the misinterpretation of our statements by other nations. We look to our people and their needs first and foremost, then to the needs of the Asturian League as a nation, and then to the needs of the Thuleans as a people. We will do what is best for these groups, in that order. It is our belief that these interests will seldom come into conflict, as it is to the benefit of each interest that the other become stronger. You must realize this.
To: Former Thulean League Members
From: The Asturian League
The Asturian League shall continue its history of strong support of Thulean interests. We shall honor the old treaties of the Thulean League. However, those who would infringe upon the independence and sovereignty of the Asturian League shall be met as what they are: a hostile threat, be they Thulean or non-Thulean.
Be that as it may, our interests lie in the Thulean people as a whole after our own people and the Asturian League. These interests, however, coincide, as a stronger Asturian League shall lead to a strengthening of the Thulean people as a whole. We hope that you are able to recognize this and support the position of the Asturian League.
From: The Asturian League
Harsh words often arise in meaningful and important debate. If they did not, then things would never come to a close. It is the sign of healthy relations that I do not worry as to using harsh words in a discussion with the Ceinurissian Aonsaise, and neither do they. Do not worry yourself over discussion, as words mean little; it is only actions that matter, and the Asturian League will never move against a Thulean nation that is not acting in open aggression towards it.
We are glad that the Vancuissi are so concerned as to Thulean relations, and are glad that we have such a devoted ally; however, to state that advancing our nations interests is a damage to the progress of the Thulean people is absurd. We are Thulean, just as you are. To say that one Thulean nation is to be allowed to advance its own agenda and not another is to be little more than blatantly unfair. Any advancement of the Asturian League will be a benefit to the Thulean people, as we are Thulean and will remain in good relations with other Thulean nations, provided they recognize the Asturian League's need for self advancement as a support of their cause as well as the cause of the Asturian League.
As for going against the will of our people, we only do this if you listen to the misinterpretation of our statements by other nations. We look to our people and their needs first and foremost, then to the needs of the Asturian League as a nation, and then to the needs of the Thuleans as a people. We will do what is best for these groups, in that order. It is our belief that these interests will seldom come into conflict, as it is to the benefit of each interest that the other become stronger. You must realize this.
To: Former Thulean League Members
From: The Asturian League
The Asturian League shall continue its history of strong support of Thulean interests. We shall honor the old treaties of the Thulean League. However, those who would infringe upon the independence and sovereignty of the Asturian League shall be met as what they are: a hostile threat, be they Thulean or non-Thulean.
Be that as it may, our interests lie in the Thulean people as a whole after our own people and the Asturian League. These interests, however, coincide, as a stronger Asturian League shall lead to a strengthening of the Thulean people as a whole. We hope that you are able to recognize this and support the position of the Asturian League.
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