[RD] Daily Graphs and Charts

[EgonSpengler]

Aha. The HuffPost story links to the original article, which says "metro area", and it in turn provides a link to a chart defining each metro area. So "Los Angeles" on this map is both Los Angeles and Orange counties; "San Francisco" is San Francisco, Alameda, Marin, San Mateo, and Contra Costa; and "Washington DC" on this map is the District of Columbia, Arlington, Fairfax, Farquier, Loudoun, Prince William, Stafford, (VA); Prince George's, Montgomery (MD), Frederick, Calvert, Charles (MD); Clarke, Culpepper, Rappahannock , Spotsylvania, Warren (VA); and Jefferson (WV). "Boston" is basically the eastern third of Massachusetts and a chunk of southeastern New Hampshire.

 

[EgonSpengler]

I would love to see Vancouver and Toronto on this map. In Toronto at least none of my friends can afford a house now. An average looking detached house will set you back a million or so. It's insane. I don't think you could get a house in Toronto on a $70,000 salary, you need 2 people making that much I'd think

I've heard Toronto is right up there with Los Angeles and Mexico City for worst traffic in North America.

 

[warpus]

I've heard Toronto is right up there with Los Angeles and Mexico City for worst traffic in North America.

Hard to say because I don't drive, but when I take a bus to Toronto, it's always crazy during rush hour. It seemed a lot more crazier during rush our in LA but that's just anecdotal so who knows. Most people who live in Toronto proper don't even own cars. Transit isn't perfect but driving in Toronto isn't fun. Plus with the high cost of living people will want to save money where they can

We used to have the world's widest highway running through Toronto (I think now the widest is somewhere else) and that's not enough to move all the people who are trying to move through the region each day. Our highways always get clogged up during rush hour. Even with an express highway you can now take around the whole mess.

It's why the province has just announced that they will be building high speed rail, eventually from Windsor/Detroit to Toronto. And then one day running all the way out to Montreal. It follows the same route (pretty much) as that ex-world's busiest highway. It should help with the congestion and get cars off the road, but... I think we are going to have to do much more than that. It's a good start though

 

[Timsup2nothin]

So "Los Angeles" on this map is both Los Angeles and Orange counties;

And I can tell you that the only place in LA or Orange county that you can buy a house on a 100K income is Lancaster. Even here in Palmdale 100K would be edgy. Out in the unincorporated desert maybe, if you could find one that didn't come with any land.

I've heard Toronto is right up there with Los Angeles and Mexico City for worst traffic in North America.

House prices aside, I want to contest this. Most of the "measurables" regarding traffic are skewed against LA. We score very badly on "average commute time," for example, but that is a result of having a huge disparity in average commute distance. I know lots of people who have a 90 minute commute, but it isn't because of traffic. It's because they live eighty miles from where they work.

 

[JohannaK]

Let's see if these huge housing price increases correct the abominable American city planning methos of single houses and suburbs all the way to the horizon.

 

[Kyriakos]

^I am not a fan of suburbia either. Unless there is awesome local transit, it forces you to have a car.

 

[Camikaze]

This survey deals with international comparisons, though I don't know how accurate or methodologically sound it is. I remember it was cited in Australian media when it was released. It measures 'Median Multiple', or median house price divided by gross annual median household income (so doesn't really take into account tax/transactional differences, I suppose). The top 10 Median Multiple cities with metro areas of 2+ million are Hong Kong (18.1), Sydney (12.2), Vancouver (11.8), Auckland (10.0), San Jose (9.6), Melbourne (9.5), Honolulu (9.4), Los Angeles (9.3), San Francisco (9.2), and Bournemouth/Dorset (8.9). Toronto is listed at 7.7.

So for Sydney that's a median income of $88,000 and a median price of $1,077,000, for San Francisco it's a median income of $90,400 and a median price of $835,400, and for Toronto it's a median income of $79,700 and a median price of $615,800.

Sydney is in the middle of a ridiculous housing bubble (or if the optimists are to be believed, a ridiculous structural change), but unfortunately Australia has a shortage of intra-national mobility options.

 

[dutchfire]

Bournemouth?

 

[Kyriakos]

Not sure if the map is correct; eg i think the US has a large base in Crete, whereas i don't recall any base in Thrace.
Also: Venezuela has "significant US military presence"?

 

[Camikaze]

Bournemouth?

That appears to be the result of low median income (£29,900). Nearby Bristol/Bath (as it's grouped in the survey) has marginally cheaper housing, but £41,200 for median income.

Unfortunately the survey doesn't look at the European continent, which I'd be interested in. I imagine purchasing habits are somewhat different than in the suburbia-dominated Anglosphere.

 

[Arakhor]

Neither Bournemouth nor Bristol have anywhere near 2 million people, as other than London, those sort of urban areas only occur further north (Birmingham, Leeds, Manchester etc.)

 

[Camikaze]

Looks like it might actually be in the 1+ million category, but yes, even so I'm not sure how they're defining the area to fit that many people.

 

[Kyriakos]

 

[dutchfire]

Saw this on twitter:

https://twitter.com/b_judah/status/870587210134933504

 

[Arakhor]

That looks like late Labour/Tory austerity to me.

 

[Kyriakos]

Cutting wages helps the economy. So does paying pawnbrokers and thieves with massive interest

 

[Cutlass]

http://geology.com/stories/13/bear-areas/

 

[Cutlass]

 

[JohannaK]

Hilarious!

 

[Kyriakos]

Funny, yet not a graph