Danish far-right party calling for Muslim deportation to stand in election

In some European countries - I don’t know about Denmark - there’s been a problem with not deporting people who have committed crimes or who are just not in the country legally.

Calling for all Muslims to be deported might distract from a legitimate issue and make anyone who is concerned about this issue seem prejudiced.
 
Islam may not be a race, but Muslims do tend to be People of Colour, which probably factors into it.

Muslims are generally racialized by European societies.
You can generalize that anti-Islamic people are probably also racist but that doesn't make Islam a race.
 
Rasmus Paludan is literally brain-damaged.

Not something I'm making up or using as a slur; it's a matter of public record that he underwent negative and lasting behavioral and personality changes after suffering a head injury in 2005.
 
You can generalize that anti-Islamic people are probably also racist but that doesn't make Islam a race.

Muslims tend to be people of colour.

Unfortunately you cannot entirely divorce anti Islamic sentiment from racism, especially when so many muslims are from non European countries or have non European heritage. That's just the reality of the situation.
 
You can generalize that anti-Islamic people are probably also racist but that doesn't make Islam a race.

No, dude, there are no actual races, "black people" aren't a race either. "Islam isn't a race" is frankly just a stupid thing to say.
 
Muslims tend to be people of colour.

Unfortunately you cannot entirely divorce anti Islamic sentiment from racism, especially when so many muslims are from non European countries or have non European heritage. That's just the reality of the situation.
No, dude, there are no actual races, "black people" aren't a race either. "Islam isn't a race" is frankly just a stupid thing to say.
I dare you to come over here and talk to the actual Muslims in the actual European country about this.
They'll be on board with the general idea of the Kartoffels not always treating them right.
But then you'd have to explain to them that they are a race. And that they're persons of color. And that they are not Europeans and the countries of their grandparents are not European...

:popcorn:

Please. Don't stop.
This is where you have to do the spiel about the internalised oppression.
I'll get you an extra shovel if necessary.
 
No, dude, there are no actual races, "black people" aren't a race either. "Islam isn't a race" is frankly just a stupid thing to say.
Not as stupid as acting like it is... or worse arguing that it makes sense to continue saying it once corrected
 
Did I say muslims were a race unto themselves? I said that they tended to be people of colour who are subjected to abuse regardless and independent of their religion.

It doesn't matter whether they were born in the country or immigrated, racists still treat them as if they did and use it as a cudgel to oppress them.
 
I dare you to come over here and talk to the actual Muslims in the actual European country about this.
They'll be on board with the general idea of the Kartoffels not always treating them right.
But then you'd have to explain to them that they are a race. And that they're persons of color. And that they are not Europeans and the countries of their grandparents are not European...

:popcorn:

Please. Don't stop.
This is where you have to do the spiel about the internalised oppression.
I'll get you an extra shovel if necessary.
Expecting nuance is too much to ask. It's a lot of work. Much easier to just copy/paste ones understanding of white/black relations in the US and then claim understand of the European mind. :lol:
 
No, dude, there are no actual races, "black people" aren't a race either. "Islam isn't a race" is frankly just a stupid thing to say.

No, it's an accurate thing to say that religious beliefs do not equate to race. And you are correct that "black" is an overly broad categorization...as is "Asian" and "white", which has some interesting implications if taken to a logical conclusion.

Whether a person is "genuinely" "only" anti-Islam or anti-religion can be determined by how they behave towards people who share similar outward appearances but are not Islamic. If you still observe different behaviors, then you have an example of racism as well.
 
Did I say muslims were a race unto themselves? I said that they tended to be people of colour who are subjected to abuse regardless and independent of their religion.
Plenty of Muslims are paler than me.

And they are going to be seen differently than African Christians.

Just stop saying Islam is a race or that the issue is only racial. Its lazy and shows disinterest in what you claim to want to understand.
 
Are you finished being disengenuous? I've lived literally all my life in Europe, what about you Narz?

In britain Muslims tend to usually be Asian, same with Sikhs and Hindus.

Intersectionality is a thing, as is the abuse one can face, a white muslim may not be subjected to the same types or levels of abuse than say an Asian muslim regardless of whether they were born in the country or immigrated, even if you refuse to acknowledge it.
 
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Not as stupid as acting like it is... or worse arguing that it makes sense to continue saying it once corrected

Corrected? No one was claiming that Muslims are a race, so you didn't 'correct' anyone. The only function of your insistence that Muslims are not a race statement seems to be to deny the magnitude of the prejudice and discrimination that Muslims face in Europe.

Expecting nuance is too much to ask. It's a lot of work. Much easier to just copy/paste ones understanding of white/black relations in the US and then claim understand of the European mind. :lol:

 
Are you Danish?

Most of my posts have been towards Lexus.

See title, I'm never disingenuous. You don't think a community will have a different reaction to a group of Christian Africans building a church than Muslims building a mosque?
 
Did I say muslims were a race unto themselves? I said that they tended to be people of colour who are subjected to abuse regardless and independent of their religion.

It doesn't matter whether they were born in the country or immigrated, racists still treat them as if they did and use it as a cudgel to oppress them.
Yeah, and i am telling you that you are tied up in an Anglospherian narrative and that if you come over here and explain to Muslim persons of Bulgarian, Albanian, Bosnian, Turkish and Tatar heritage that they are "persons of color" and from [not Europe] i will bring muhself some popcorn.

(I just used the term "heritage" which slightly bothers me. But defining things to a decent term gets pretty dicey with regard to the minorities in Bulgaria, so i am not taking sides in that in some off-hand comment. So "heritage" it is.)​
 
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Corrected? No one was claiming that Muslims are a race, so you didn't 'correct' anyone.
So why you arguing then? Also racist is used in the OP.

The only function of your insistence that Muslims are not a race statement seems to be to deny the magnitude of the prejudice and discrimination that Muslims face in Europe.
??? I've literally made no comment whatsoever on that. You are assigning me beliefs arbitrarily. You should talk to a mental health professional about why you do that. It's pretty harmless online but if you do it in personal relationships it will leas to serious problems.
 
from Alana Lentin "Post Race Post Politics"

Declarations of the end of race ignore the continuing impact of racism upon socio-economic inequality in ‘racial states’. Nevertheless, the idea of post-racialism has gained ground in a post-9/11 era, defined by a growing suspicion of diversity. Clearly racialized, this suspicion is couched in cultural-civilizational terms that attempt to avoid the charge of racism. Hence, attempts to counteract the purported failure of multiculturalism in Europe today pose culturalist solutions to problems deemed to originate from an excess of cultural diversity. This is part of a deepening culturalization of politics in which the post-race argument belongs to a post-political logic that shuns political explanations of unrest and widening disintegration in favour of reductive culturalist ones. The culturalization of politics is elaborated by relating it to the displacement of the political that originated with the nineteenth-century ascendance of race, thus setting ‘post-racialism’ firmly within the history of modern racism.

Before you buzzfeedise blonde Bosnians into this, let me ask you:
What's your expertise on European societies again?

the culturalization of race is definitely happening, there is no doubt about that. the sickening thing about race """science""" is that it has penetrated our skulls in a way that really could not have been foreseen. race doesn't comes up even remotely as often in European discourse, like it does for example in American discourse. Yet it is still omnipresent, but culturalized. European islamophobia is not, in fact, a fear of Muslims or of Islam the faith, most Islamophobes generally don't give a damn whether they're dealing with a zoroastrian or a seekh or a shia muslim or a sufi muslim or whatever. They just really resent brown people. If most Syrians coming to Europe were atheist, they would sure as hell still complain, but find a different scapegoat (which currently is the ""barbarism"" of islam and it not being "compatible" with western values).

the other thing with culturalization of race is that you can talk about culture, and two cultures being "incompatible" much more freely and publicly than you could talk about race. it's at the same time a strategy to both reach out to moderates and dogwhistle to extremists. the above quote sums it up pretty well. funnily enough the author is an aussie specializing in European studies and European sociology. anglo scientists just love their racism :lol:

You can generalize that anti-Islamic people are probably also racist but that doesn't make Islam a race.

Islam is not a race, that is for sure, but many xenophobes project their hatred of brown people onto Islamic culture. they also probably hate islamic culture, but generally don't give a hoot about it nor know much beyond propaganda.
 
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You don't think a community will have a different reaction to a group of Christian Africans building a church than Muslims building a mosque?

yes, they certainly would react differently to that. the question is: would islamophobes, xenophobes, far-righters, alt-righters or apparently braindamaged danes care? no, they wouldn't. they already dont care about the thousands of "successfully immigrated" brown people who are christian or atheist or orthodox or jewish or agnostic or whatever really.

European islamophobes would still be against refugees if it turned out they were largely atheist, or even non practicing muslims. if you ever had the misfortune of coming across these people, I did, you'll find that it's a clear white and brown issue for them.
 
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