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DEA: Record violence in Mexico "a sign of success in the fight against drugs"

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Dawgphood001, May 8, 2011.

  1. Dawgphood001

    Dawgphood001 The Professional Poster

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    In a long history of lies put out by these charlatans, this one has to be one of the most shameless. The DEA is no longer pretending to enforce laws on drugs or win the drug war, they're now pretty much blatantly a self-serving bureaucratic cesspool indifferent towards the misery that their actions and policies create.

    So what do you guys think? Are we winning the war on drugs now that more Mexicans (especially children) are dying everyday? We just need to keep it up for a few more years, right? Right?
     
  2. Skwink

    Skwink FRIIIIIIIIIITZ

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    We're winning as long as we keep the violence in Mexico.
     
  3. Dawgphood001

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    Yeah, we're winning as long as we keep wasting billions of dollars a year on this.

    BI-WINNING
     
  4. Berzerker

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    the homicide rate doubled twice in the 20th century - both times during drug wars.
     
  5. Glassfan

    Glassfan Mostly harmless

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    I don't think we can win the war on drugs. Prohibition should be a lesson. If the people want something bad enough, no mere government can stop it. It's a shame most of the blood cost of America's addiction are visited upon innocents in Mexico.
     
  6. Lovebird

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    The overall murder rate in Mexico has declined for at least five consecutive years.
     
  7. Lord of Elves

    Lord of Elves Suede-Denim Secret Police

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    If we keep this up we may get an "Enforce Order" cassus belli on Mexico. Considering that after getting Osama our Infamy is down significantly, this is the perfect time to get some quick and easy expansion.

    :p
     
  8. Berzerker

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    it aint the cost of addiction, its the cost of criminalizing freedom

    the USA, not Mexico
     
  9. Dachs

    Dachs Hero of the Soviet Union

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    They're fighting a drug war too.
     
  10. Berzerker

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    and I was responding to Skwink talking about the violence staying down there as opposed to up here, it hasn't stayed down there.

    but they've been fighting a drug war for decades just like us, wanna bet their homicide rate was lower before we "convinced" them to fight our drug war?
     
  11. Bugfatty300

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    Mexico's murder rate was declining 'till a couple of years ago.

     
  12. Berzerker

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    So? Ours has been declining too from a peak we hit in the 80s - that aint relevant, that graph shows drug war homicide rates

    What was their rate in the early 60s or 50s or 40s or 30s before our drug war?
     
  13. Bugfatty300

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    No that's not right. There wasn't even an official "drug war" in Mexico until 2006 so how are they measuring drug war casualties in 1990?

    The graph shows homicide rate with rural and urban areas being compared. The dark red line shows the over all national trend.
     
  14. Berzerker

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    I dont know how Mexico's drug war became "official" in 2006, but its been going on since at least Nixon... They follow us, or more accurately, we coerce them - before the late 60s we didn't care much about drugs coming thru Mexico and they didn't have a drug war (we didn't either). But that changed with Nixon and then Reagan had his war and homicide rates peaked hitting the high during the worst of Prohibition.

    I'm sure a graph of homicide rates for Mexico from the 1930s on will show a relationship between increasing and decreasing rates with intensity of the drug war...
     
  15. RedRalph

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    I wonder what would happen if the Mexican Army was given carte blanche for a week to settle this problem, no questions asked
     
  16. Bugfatty300

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    There was practically no effort by the Mexican government fight a "drug war" before Felipe Calderon deployed federal forces against them in 2006. It has been called the "Mexican Drug War" ever since and I can't find a single reference to such a thing before that year.

    And Mexico guards it's sovereignty closely especially against the USA and would never allow US forces to operate within its borders ala Colombia. So no significant American effort to fight the cartels was ever realized in Mexico either.

    Hence there was no "drug war" in Mexico before 2006 unless you count the fighting between cartels and even that was more tame before then.

     
  17. Bugfatty300

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    Probably just add to the death toll. Rival cartels already massacre each other by the hundreds and they do it in pretty much the most horrific ways imaginable, stuff that would probably make an insurgent in Iraq or Afghanistan feel sick to his stomach. And there's always new guys joining up. I don't think the military doing similar things would scare seasoned narcos.
     
  18. Quackers

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    The irony is, Dawg's drug habits fuel this misery.

    Everybody wants a slice of Dawg's money and are willing to kill each other for it :p
     
  19. Mallipeep

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    Thats like blaming someone for being rich, kidnapped and then rival gangs killing eachother and everyone in the way to get the kidnapped person ransom money.

    Narrowminded logic there.
     
  20. SS-18 ICBM

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    Weed cartels? They exist?
     

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