deals broken by war

[wailoktam]

I just wonder whether deals like trading luxuries and borrowing money would be resumed after a peace settlement. If not resumed, borrowing heavily from the AI and declaring war is a viable strategy, is it? If everyone is going to hate you anyway in higher difficulties, the diplomatic penalty is nothing compared to the money got, I suppose.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

I have experience with this. Got backstabbed by my dof boudicca. I won the war without crushing her totally. She didn't hold a grudge and immediately asked to resume the old deals at the original terms. She even talked about it like it was a standard deal continuation

 

[Erneiz Hyde]

If you're the one declaring war, then it's rather cheesy. I usually do this only if I spot an invasion force near my borders. I meant it as a buffer to make the AI pull their forces back, but more often than not the AI will declare war anyways, getting your resources back early to be traded with other AI who you're not at war with.

 

[nefloyd]

Yes, it's a common method to exploit the AI's weakness - offer up anything you can for as much gold as you can take, then declare war. It's possible, but whether you want to use it or not is just up to you as a player.

 

[Pembroke]

It works but it feels like a cheat so I pass on this one. If the AI was programmed to do the same and to have some awaraness of it and respond appropriately then it'd be ok but as it is now I think it's just an exploit. YMMV etc.

 

[Snownova]

An interesting and related tid-bit, if a resource tile gets pillaged any deals involving that resource get broken as well. I've used this a bit when barbarians were overrunning my fields, quickly selling something that was going to get pillaged sometime in the next few turns.

I wonder if you can pillage your own tiles though to get this effect?

 

[Erneiz Hyde]

I think it was possible to pillage your own tile long long ago. It was understandably patched not long after. I guess this is also the reason why we can't build any improvement other than the one corresponding to a resource.

 

[thadian]

yes you were able to pillage your tiles, however your deals were automatically resumed when the resource came back up, so you couldn't pillage your mine to break a deal and rebuild the mine to resell the gold to someone else.

On another hand you could offer the AI a deal with 100 gpt + gold for a lump sum payment, then let the barbs pillage your gold - to see if you get back the 100 gpt or if that part of the deal is still on.

 

[Cicerosaurus]

Sort of reverse to the idea, but when you make a promise to the AI and they declare war, I think all bets should be off. For instance, if you agree not to settle near them and they declare war anyway, I think your commitment should be void.

 

[wailoktam]

Actually my major concern is a loan taken from an AI declared war on me. Do I need to return the money after peace? Does it matter who declare the war? And would war declaration compelled by defensive pact make a difference?

 

[nefloyd]

War breaks all recurring deals, period. If you got gold up front, you keep it. A research pact between the two warring parties is broken and any gold spent towards it is lost to both. Resources are placed back in control of the tile owners. It doesn't matter who started it. There is no 'picking up where we left off' after peace is made. Any new deals are struck as completely separate trades.

 

[Halcyan2]

War breaks all recurring deals, period. If you got gold up front, you keep it. A research pact between the two warring parties is broken and any gold spent towards it is lost to both. Resources are placed back in control of the tile owners. It doesn't matter who started it. There is no 'picking up where we left off' after peace is made. Any new deals are struck as completely separate trades.

That is correct though the current mechanics of renewing deals will sometimes have AI's try to "renew" deals that were previously broken due to wars (you can simply Refuse those fine but it can be tricky since it may lead you to think that the deal is still ongoing).

 

[hobbsyoyo]

That is correct though the current mechanics of renewing deals will sometimes have AI's try to "renew" deals that were previously broken due to wars (you can simply Refuse those fine but it can be tricky since it may lead you to think that the deal is still ongoing).

this is true