Does this mean two citizens can't share a private message about the demo game? I think you're going a bit far here DaveShack. Forcing members to vote a certain way is a form of excluding citizens from joining the citizen group and can be handled in the definition of exclusionary practices. We should also make it clear that citizens groups are allowed to endorse candidates. And if we use secret ballots no one will know how citizens vote anyway. I'm not sure what sanctions could be threatened. Care to elaborate on what could happen so we know why we have to legislate against it? This is definitely going too far since it would force citizens groups to go out of their way to not appear to ignore someone or make them feel unwelcome. In our democracy we have the right to free speech but we are not guaranteed a sympathetic audience for anything we have to say. This would be bad, why? So what happens if certain members of a citizens group all decide to run for a different office? And would we close up the citizen group thread in this case? What if a few candidates for different office happen to belong to the same citizen group? Do we disqualify them from office? I know what you're gonna say, DaveShack, that it's the arranging that's key. But don't you see how you invite partisan attacks with this kind of law? All manner of unfounded accusations could be made about citizen group members who run for office. Sure, if unfounded they could be swiftly dismissed but how much damage to the nominee's reputation (and electoral prospects) are done anyway? Again, I think it is quite proper for citizens groups to endorse candidates and encourage members to vote for them. It's also quite natural and democratic for citizens who share similar views to vote in a similar manner. As long as we eliminate exclusionary practices and use a secret ballot I don't see a problem. So if I form a citizens group opposed to war and Cyc runs for office on a war platform I can't say in my citizens group that Cyc is wrong for wanting war? Geez. DaveShack just remember, when you form the Association Against Democratic Prinicples, AADP is already taken.