1. We have added a Gift Upgrades feature that allows you to gift an account upgrade to another member, just in time for the holiday season. You can see the gift option when going to the Account Upgrades screen, or on any user profile screen.
    Dismiss Notice

DEITY CHALLENGE - aiming for sub 200T cultural victory

Discussion in 'Civ5 - Strategy & Tips' started by IronfighterXXX, Nov 18, 2014.

  1. IronfighterXXX

    IronfighterXXX Work Hard - Play Hard

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2010
    Messages:
    666
    Location:
    Warsaw, Poland
    Yes, please don't capture any cities.

    Well it took to beat previous sub 200T science challenge about 3 months so please give us some time ;)

    To counter a little bit this defeatism from posts I link my post from 85GOTM it was deity Iroquois cultural game

    http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=13217838&postcount=23

    I know I finished 50 turns later than I demand but:

    -it was my first deity cultural BNW game

    - Iroquois is one of the worst civs and has nothing to do with culture

    -map was average

    - all I need were hotels and international games ( no Internet)

    - I made a lot of mistakes (you can see one on third screen :D)
     
  2. Hammer Rabbi

    Hammer Rabbi Deity GOTM Staff

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2012
    Messages:
    4,460
    Location:
    USA
    but do you think taking 1-2 cities is 'cheating' or disqualifies it as an achievement?

    i think people could also intentionally include Venice so they can bribe others to war him into extermination leaving only 6 civs to pressure. that could conceivably be viewed as unfair tactics, no?
     
  3. adcarrymaokai

    adcarrymaokai Emperor

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2013
    Messages:
    1,585
    Why would you want to eliminate Venice? They will be the first civ to get influenced.

    You might rather have Ramesses and Shaka in one corner. :D Attila next to Siam. Actually, Attila is in general a good opponent to have for this challenge. He will either take out his neighbor and fall off or... just fall off.
     
  4. consentient

    consentient Domination!

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2014
    Messages:
    3,332
    Internet T190 on Deity on a non-rigged map? I call B.S. on that one, sorry Acken. I'm a big fan of your play style and your VidLPs but T190 Internet is fantasy land unless the map is rigged, surely?
     
  5. Hammer Rabbi

    Hammer Rabbi Deity GOTM Staff

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2012
    Messages:
    4,460
    Location:
    USA
    thats not my experience. Venice usually generated good culture in my games, usually 4th or later to influence. it would of course be map dependent, which CS they puppeted, etc.
     
  6. adcarrymaokai

    adcarrymaokai Emperor

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2013
    Messages:
    1,585
    On standard map, 4th or lower is basically the bottom half of the scoreboard. There is no way Venice can runaway with culture simply because they are limited to one city in terms of any meaningful culture output.

    Deity Venice loves Piety, so they may get some culture from religion and cultural CS, but even that is not huge compared to wonder-spammers.
     
  7. bigwillystyle

    bigwillystyle Chieftain

    Joined:
    Aug 16, 2006
    Messages:
    84
    Probably need a little bit of luck, in terms of not having a culture runaway.

    Worth considering going to Autocracy / Futurism. Layer 40% open borders on top of 250 tourism a pop.
     
  8. 59saintdane

    59saintdane Warlord

    Joined:
    Jul 14, 2014
    Messages:
    230
    Considering that there have been sub 200 SVs, surely T190 internet isn't impossible.
     
  9. Hammer Rabbi

    Hammer Rabbi Deity GOTM Staff

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2012
    Messages:
    4,460
    Location:
    USA
    scoreboard doesnt really shape strategies except for who the lone runaway is. 4th to influential is never the runaway. but they are clearly not the first to convert either. the point is they are not a pushover culturally at deity (if playing by the suggested rules here). getting AIs to take them out is one less to target. but you do run the risk that their conqueror gets more powerful. but it could still mean needing one less Musician by end game.
     
  10. InaneObserver

    InaneObserver Warlord

    Joined:
    Sep 10, 2014
    Messages:
    100
    Location:
    Norway
    No city capture by the player. By choosing your opponents and timing bribes for DoW you could set up the game to be a bloody mess of AIs constantly fighting each other and razing cities.
     
  11. consentient

    consentient Domination!

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2014
    Messages:
    3,332
    Ah but those sub 200 SVs didn't involve the same amount of buildings, specialists, gold spending, etc. For some of the time on the SVs, you have to put hammers straight into beakers. You'd don't have the same luxury for CV.

    Everyone knows that CV on Deity is the hardest VC, and as the lack of a singular answer on this thread shows, no-one can even imagine - theoretically - how a sub-200 CV could occur without SS.

    In my last game, one AI had a culture total by T150 that was as high as most I've seen ca. T250. No way you are going to topple that without Internet, I think.

    If you guys prove me wrong, I will tip my hat. And I'm not trolling to derail the thread, just expressing my EXTREME skepticism that this is even possible.

    But, hey, they said the same thing about the 4-minute mile, the Sound Barrier, and the North-West passage.

    So good luck. You're gonna need it! :p
     
  12. Acken

    Acken Deity

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2013
    Messages:
    5,637
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    QC, Canada
    Well my point was simply to state that if you need internet you need it around 10 turns before 200. There's no real considerations about the feasibility of it. Nevertheless I feel it's in the realm of possibility to do it.
    While you are right that CV requires more stuff to build it also require less stuff to tech to reach internet :)

    And you also have the brazil option that maybe can win with hotels only.

    You are right about one thing though, contrary to SV, CV is AI dependant so luck is certainly involved.
     
  13. Hammer Rabbi

    Hammer Rabbi Deity GOTM Staff

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2012
    Messages:
    4,460
    Location:
    USA
    i was trying to look up any Wonders that provide Great Musician points. I didnt see any (but sure are a lot of wonders that give Merchant points). Broadway will give you one GM free, Pisa another if you choose it, full Liberty GP and of course generating a couple from Musicians Guilds. You can get more with things like faith buying/reformation choices.

    i think sub200 will need 3-4 GMs if you arent going with a Brazil Golden Age strategy. You also might need to sell a nearby city to Music bomb them if travel time is burdensome. Mayans will get an extra advantage too. Just pick them wisely for timing.
     
  14. Acken

    Acken Deity

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2013
    Messages:
    5,637
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    QC, Canada
    None of the wonders provide GWAM points. Only guilds. You won't want to use Pisa for a musician though, it comes too soon.
     
  15. adcarrymaokai

    adcarrymaokai Emperor

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2013
    Messages:
    1,585
    Exactly. Using Liberty finisher and Pisa for a GM does not make sense, as your tourism output is most likely going to be 0 at this point, which means the GM will produce exactly 0 tourism. :p On Deity, you actually shouldn't even build Musician's Guild until late-game when your tourism is high. The strength of musicians is the tourism output in the last 8 turns, so musician-bombing CV on deity comes to generating as much tourism as possible lategame (most-likely after the Internet) and then producing/faithbuying musicians and bombing runaways.

    If you are playing for fun and don't care for fastest turns, you can build musicians early and use them for great works. Sometimes, I do that. It's fun to hit 1700 tourism with Brazil during a golden age and after discovering the Internet. :p Or you can do Liberty-Piety ICS and get that musician when all your mosques and pagodas have produced 200 tourism.
     
  16. Acken

    Acken Deity

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2013
    Messages:
    5,637
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    QC, Canada
    Yes.

    However to be precise a musician bomb value is not the last 8 turns of tourism. It is exactly 10 times the tourism you had at the moment the unit is created.
     
  17. IronfighterXXX

    IronfighterXXX Work Hard - Play Hard

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2010
    Messages:
    666
    Location:
    Warsaw, Poland
    Second part of sentence is not true. This musician has 100T and it's on low difficulties in some cases even better than SS :)
     
  18. Hammer Rabbi

    Hammer Rabbi Deity GOTM Staff

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2012
    Messages:
    4,460
    Location:
    USA
    yeah, Pisa would be too early but you can delay the Liberty finisher until whenever you need it. the last two taken in Liberty are usually either of the policies after free worker. i almost always use the last policy as the +1 happiness/road connection but maybe you would want the free Golden Age as the last one for this kind of game. but that means delaying the reduced culture per city too. but if the goal is sub200 maybe the math would still be better? tough call for me. but either way you can delay Liberty GMusician til very late.
     
  19. adcarrymaokai

    adcarrymaokai Emperor

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2013
    Messages:
    1,585
    Aw. I used to think it was the last 8 turns. I guess I don't have to wait 8 turns after the Internet now, do I? :blush:
     
  20. Acken

    Acken Deity

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2013
    Messages:
    5,637
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    QC, Canada
    No. Get Internet, get NVC (also games if possible). Pop GM, sell city, bomb, win.
     

Share This Page