Deity Graduate School I

ben-jammin

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Forum games are always more interesting than playing maps in a corner by yourself, and I think there are lots of people on here now who've moved up to Deity difficulty. And lots more who are ready to but need a kick in the pants (and maybe some help). So I intend to post a map for us to play for every leader, starting from strongest to weakest, with the maps themselves hopefully getting progressively harder. I won't choose Hall of Fame starts, but I also won't choose really poor ones either and I'll try to throw in some different map types that we don't see much (or at all) in forum games. I don't want to do any map editing, though I'm thinking of removing early access to horses for Egypt and Persia if the map is otherwise suitable. I will only be providing the 4000 BC deity save because that's kind of the whole point, you'll have to worldbuilder it to another difficulty if you don't want to play on Deity but just like the look of the map that much. All that adding techs and stuff...blech.


So our first installment is.....Elizabeth of the English. No need for screenshots of the leaders in this series, we know who's who and what's what. If you can't win with Lizzy, you're not trying hard enough.

The dawn of our empire:

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Map details:

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Tectonics Mediterranean. Just what it sounds like, a sort of random imitation of southern Europe, the Levant, and North Africa. Kind of like a much more interesting Inland Sea type map, but with peaks, islands, and the land getting progressively browner as you move away from the coast. There tend to be large hilly regions and choke points. 8 random AIs.
 

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Just checked quickly in WB and the land distribution is wacky. I'll have a better map up in a minute.

Edit: changed.
 
Same mapscript? I gotta love bad mapscripts. Wonder if I'll get some time in the near future. :/
 
:) Interest kept intact. Will check next week if my teachers spare me from those incessant lab reports.
 
I'm in. I've won a handful of Deity games, but i really don't have much experience on the difficulty yet.
 
Hey Izuul, I changed the save a second time just before you posted that, get the updated one if you downloaded the other one already. There was a problem I hadn't noticed with the second map as well

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If these are supposed to start easier and get gradually more difficult I can't be having Shaka next door plotting at 1500BC.


Next time I'll check out the map more thoroughly before I get all excited and upload it. The map info spoiler may actually be very helpful, don't read it if you want to make things trickier for yourself.

I think deity lends itself to more in-depth writeups because small details and strategic planning are so important, so lets all not hold back on our play-through's.
 
But graduate school is hard! You're scaring off people here with that title.

lol how true... graduate school was by far the worst period of my life - if there was any way to break my civ addiction, it would be to conflate this game with grad school for sure. :cringe:
 
I played to 1920 BC. I'm gonna try to post things in more detail than usual since the goal is to improve play on Deity, and early game decisions are a huge part of that. Thoughts and opinions welcomed.

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I moved the warrior E revealing another corn and decided to SIP because i didn't really see a good alternative. Ag + Worker first obviously. I wanted to go straight for Pottery next, but the more i explored the more worried i got about barbs. I didn't meet another civ until after 3000 AD i think, and so far i only have contact with Capac and JC. It seems we are only connected to the other civs by small strips of land on both sides to the north at the top of the map. I did read the map spoiler b/c i have never played Tectonics Mediterranean. I'm guessing we are located on something that's supposed to resemble Greece or possibly even Italy. Or maybe it's not that realistic?

Anyway, i decided to go for The Wheel after Ag since that left both BW and Pottery as possible 3rd techs. I built a 2nd Warrior and started a Settler at size 4. BW won out for 3rd tech b/c i really needed a plan B if there wasn't copper around for barb defense. Copper appeared near the NE coast near some sheep so i finished teching Pottery and then went for AH. Who knows when we will get Alpha here, and this city won't be worth much without the food.

Settler went straight for the copper + sheep site while i revolted into Slavery, and i then whipped a 2nd worker at size 4 since i needed to road through hills, mine copper, pasture sheep, chop out an axe and numerous other things. The overflow went into a warrior to sit on London b/c my initial warrior died to a double barb attack earlier.

1st worker finished roading to 2nd city then mined and hooked up copper while 2nd worker stayed near London, built one cottage, then moved into a forest to time a chop with the copper being connected. I think that's where i left off. I have 3 warriors, I'll have an axe in London next turn (will probably build a 2nd too), AH finished revealing horses just outside of London's BFC, and my 1st worker is now improving the sheep.

I think I'm gonna go for Writing next since there's no pressing need for Mysticism and border pops yet, and I would like to start getting those Philo GPP. I need to get another settler out soon. London is size 5 with a big food surplus and will be size 6 in 3 turns, so i can 3-pop whip rather than slow build or burn forests. I'll finish the axe in 1 turn, and then a granary in 2 turns just in time to switch to a settler at size 6. Not sure what the overflow should go into though b/c Writing won't be finished in time to put it into a Library. York will finish a worker in 1 turn and then likely build a 2nd axe. Alternatively, i could build the 2nd axe in London with the settler overflow and start right in on a granary in York.

I also need to decide where to send that settler. There's a double fish + horse site 3S of London, but that can definitely wait a while. The gold to the NW would be nice, as much for the happiness as the research boost. I think the two gold can be split b/t a city using the wheat to the east and another on the western coast using the fish. Another city to the south can grab clams and some river tiles, and even borrow the wheat for awhile until it gets a border pop for clams. There's also room for a helper city east of the capitol though i don't know exactly how many cottages we'll be working there. I think i want the gold first though...

I assume going Aesthetics is still the play here even though we have limited contact with other AI? We have marble, it's Deity, there are a lot of AI here if we can ever meet them, and we have most of the important early techs already so there's no huge rush to get Alpha. Anything I'm overlooking?

Current situation:
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Possible city locations:
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I think it's important to settle as many cities as possible on PHs here (though it looks like that may only be a couple) since there are soooo many hills in relation to the amount of food available. There are two locations i was considering for my gold city. One can work the gold immediately, but will require a border pop to get food while the other gets the wheat immediately and can also share a mine + marble with the capitol, but will require a border pop for the gold.
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I'll give this a try. Been playing Deity a lot lately because it forces me to think about every decision i make. Only won a few games with the easy leaders so far but i hope comparing my game with that of others will make me a better player.
 
lol how true... graduate school was by far the worst period of my life - if there was any way to break my civ addiction, it would be to conflate this game with grad school for sure. :cringe:

I got into civ IV in grad school :lol:. Well, I can do school work at comparable speeds to civ IV play, so a lot of the grind wasn't there for me. I actually liked grad school better than undergrad, and did better in it too (though that was mostly immaturaty and a severe undiagnosed thyroid issue in undergrad...honestly moreso the latter which really makes my memories of certain lectures/arguments/struggles outside of school more annoying...I wonder how many of those criticizing me in undergrad would have done even as well as a 3.2 GPA with no thyroid and no medication :rolleyes:)

In contrast, MBA program was a breeze, although possibly that's just because I was so tempered against suffering that being relatively healthy made everything a cakewalk haha.

Well sort of anyway, being on replacement is a curse in a different way, but I'm doing some research regarding that now.
 
Wow, i played one more turn and this happened:

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That's one of those random things that altars the game pretty substantially. It took 3 turns off Writing so i can delay my Settler whip just 1 turn now and get the overflow into a library. This also pushes me towards gold site B next to the wheat as i can afford to wait for a border pop to get the gold i think. I also like that that site shares more tiles with London. And i decided to build a WB quick in York to go explore.
 
Kossin, I'm guessing you don't like tectonics because of the way it tends to spew out vast stretches of garbage (particularly hills with no food in sight), but on this particular roll

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If there is any of that it's been left to the AI to try and deal with, we get a good chunk of usable land that I'm sure will see this map won through many different routes. And it highlights the one thing I actually do like about the script...mountain ranges and island chains that make the gameplay a little different.


Not really much of a spoiler at all, just sayin. Wouldn't mind seeing you play this through.
 
I got into civ IV in grad school :lol:. Well, I can do school work at comparable speeds to civ IV play, so a lot of the grind wasn't there for me. I actually liked grad school better than undergrad, and did better in it too (though that was mostly immaturaty and a severe undiagnosed thyroid issue in undergrad...honestly moreso the latter which really makes my memories of certain lectures/arguments/struggles outside of school more annoying...I wonder how many of those criticizing me in undergrad would have done even as well as a 3.2 GPA with no thyroid and no medication :rolleyes:)

In contrast, MBA program was a breeze, although possibly that's just because I was so tempered against suffering that being relatively healthy made everything a cakewalk haha.

Well sort of anyway, being on replacement is a curse in a different way, but I'm doing some research regarding that now.

Hey, college-boy! Less chitchat, more clickey clickey. :crazyeye:
 
Hey, college-boy! Less chitchat, more clickey clickey. :crazyeye:

That's the thing; I have a full time job instead now, so less clickey for me, though I still do get a fair amount of games in.

I think getting married might eventually screw me over though. I'll get to this over the weekend probably...right now I'm drilling some Dark Souls.
 
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