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Deity OCC Science Victory - G&K Strategy and Tips

Discussion in 'Civ5 - Strategy & Tips' started by Sadato, Jul 2, 2012.

  1. Browd

    Browd Dilettante Administrator

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    If you are prioritizing GSs, you often won't generate any GEs (or GMs or GAs). All four types of GPs run on the same Great Person point counter, and each GP increases the "cost" of the next by 100 Great Person points. Having a workshop and working that specialist slot will not keep pace with four slots filled with science specialists (2 in university and 1 each in school and lab).
     
  2. marekb

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    You should eventually get GE. Starting with 4:c5greatperson: GS and 1:c5greatperson: GE, after 25 turns you have 100 GS points (and GS is born) and 25 GE point. Next turn you have 4 GS points and 25 for GE. Finally, after 3 GS you get GE, unless you build some wonders that generates GS point... In particular if you play as Babylon you can get hardly any other GP than GS
     
  3. Hammer Rabbi

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    if you are playing with GnK you can get a GE from faith purchase from opening Order if you missed Pisa. you dont have to found your own religion to do this but you do have to wait for a religion from someone else to get to you. and you can't buy one until you hit Industrial Age, which works out fine as you'll have a religion spread to you by then anyway.

    you can also rarely time to have 2 GPs pop at once as long as they arent the same type. For instance you get Pyramids and Oracle. each give 1 pt for GE and GS. With specialist slots from workshops and unis you can micromanage to time it so the first 2 are timed together. Hopefully you'll have Pyramids first, then Oracle and use the Uni slots to time them. After your first 100 or 200 pt GPs it gets harder if % modifiers are involved from National Epic or Gardens. their bonuses arent always shown in the hard number in their progressions. Admittedy, at Deity OCC Science this is quite difficult as it relies on some wonders that you arent guaranteed to get. I didnt include GL cuz its almost impossible to get that unless you get some super lucky circumstances (Writing from a ruin or 2 free pop ruins and some salt tiles)
     
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    I forgot this was an OCC thread. I would quibble with your arithmetic, but agree with your point. In a multi-city game, where you are maxing out science slots and working just workshops, you'll never see a GE from specalists.
     
  5. clearbeard

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    Is there any beaker benefit to having multiple RA's on the same turn vs. the same number on successive turns? And similarly is there a benefit to bulbing a GS on the turn you score one or more RA's or on the same turn you bulb another GS?
     
  6. The Pilgrim

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    As far as I can tell, there in no difference between RA's resolving on the same turn and consecutive turns. Shouldn't be at least. And no, beakers from RA's don't count towards GS bulbs or other RA's and same with GS. Only bpt does.
     
  7. Hammer Rabbi

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    both of these were changed with GnK. in vanilla it was an issue, iirc.
     
  8. The Pilgrim

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    Yeah, you had to sign RA's on different turns to increase or at least maintain the median for each. Now it doesn't matter thankfully. Don't think there was a problem with GS though. Other than their total OPness, of course. :crazyeye:
     
  9. ABPoobah

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    I missed the Porcelain tower in my current game by miles; Arabia rushed Petra (they had it around turn 55 I think?) and after that they've been storming ahead.

    Should I bother continuing? I'm learning a hell of a lot about playing Civ 5 from this Deity game so I'm thinking I should anyway even if I'm going to end up watching Arabia win. Still if it's a certainty that I'm not going to be able to stand a chance in this game any more I might end up learning the wrong things based on trying to use a poor situation.

    Advice?

    Thanks!
     
  10. The Pilgrim

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    I'm not sure I understand the question. :) Obviously, nobody can tell whether you should continue or not or whether you're gonna learn something valuable from a game you'll lose. If you you want to hear that you still have a chance to win, missing PT 'by miles' means you're far behind tech-wise and at this point it's not a good sign. Just in case, what's Arabia tech lead?
     
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    Askia 281 SV, Deity, random map type(archipelago), small, standard. Small desert island. Got Desert Folk., Petra. After Philosophy I went to petra, after Education I went directly to PT. I had never been DOWed in this game, thanks to luck and to isolated location. I signed only 2 RAs in first wave(turn 110), overwise it would be possible to win much earlier.
     

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  12. Kuffar

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    Babylon turn 288 finish. Had no religion (Greece even TRIED to convert me, with my permission, but failed), didn´t have GE for PT and Hubble, so I hard-built them in 10-ish turns. Went Freedom instead of Order (maybe it would´ve been faster with Planned Economy?).
    Lost Greece´s friendship, like, forever, after I stole techs 3 times (second time was caught and chose to ignore the "don´t spy"). So I got limited to 4 RA´s a time.


    I´ve uploaded the saves, so someone could check and see how I could´ve done better. Please :mischief:

    Also, what should be the tile priority when planting GS? I tried to put them on food tiles (sheep, the only grassland I had...)
     

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    i like to plant my great people on non-freshwater grassland, desert hills with petra, plain desert with petra or plains, in that order. sometimes on strategic resources, e.g. on riverside horses that i couldnt farm anyway. i almost never plant them on bonus resources. when playing babylon, i sometimes have to buy an appropriate tile for the first academy because by the time i reach writing, the city hasnt yet expanded its borders to tiles i would prefer.
     
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    this actually factors into where i settle. i do think 'where will the academy go?' before i move/settle.
     
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    Lost an immortal OCC with the Incans after Hiawatha launched his spaceship at t250 :eek:.

    It was a perfect start, as I had desert flood plains, hills and mountains along with two luxes, one of which had two copies (copper). Popped pottery and masonry from ruins, got DF for my pantheon, nabbed the GL, HG and managed to get Petra all by t65. The only unfortunate part of my start is that it was in the middle of four civs, one of which is a typical warmonger, so I was a chokepoint for them. Later wonders I nabbed were PT, BG, CR and Hubble. Unfortunately, when I nabbed Hubble, Hiawatha was 7 turns from winning. I had three RA's going at any given time after education with the top three tech leaders.

    I was DOW'd by two neighboring civs early on, which made me go off the science path in order to tech up my military. Going for wonders because I had a chance made me put off NC, which was a mistake. Also, teching up my military in middle portion of the game killed my chances for a sub-250 victory.

    At the time when I started this game, I played with no barbs, which is great to get some luxes but it gets pretty boring without them in the game. Since then, I reverted back to the leaving them in the game.

    This was my first time playing the Incas. I had better luck in my OCC games with Ethiopia and Babylon on immortal.

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    wow, that really is a boss starting spot. inca is the only one where sheep might ruin your tile potential, haha.
     
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    Wow. That's really brutal. My first try at OCC (in immortal, sweden) was about T300 victory, still ai's had three parts left when I won.
     
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    Simple question: What speed are you all playing on? Quick?
     
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    Can't speak for whoever you are asking about, but in this forum the discussion almost always assumes Standard speed, so turn times you see are almost invariably Standard.

    In fact, confusion often results when a poster isn't explicit about using (or asking about) quick, epic or marathon variations.
     
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    Thanks for clearing that up. I asked because I just won my first emperor game with a Science victory at turn 367. Standard speed, standard map, Pangaea playing as Korea.
    I was about an era ahead of the AI throughout the game and I was puzzled when I read in this thread that AI wins before turn 300.
    Is this because of the increased difficulty(Immortal, Deity)? Or was I just "lucky" to be neighbor to Attila, Japan, Washington and Rome? Seem they were busy fighting throughout the whole game. Perhaps they didn't really push science that much.

    Curious
     

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