pomthom
Drive & Reverb
RE: fog busting City 2 spot
There's my 3rd border pop in 4 turns
There's my 3rd border pop in 4 turns
[Deity] Stairway to Heaven #3: Hatshepsut of Egypt (Pangaea)
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pomthom
Drive & Reverb
vranasm
Deity
A part from spot A food is not that bad..? And even spot A is alright because I have FPs. Didn't mention it but there's a backfill spot South with Sheep+Fish so that's good too. Maybe more seafood SE of capitole and probably more food NE of capitole.
That's ~5-7 good city spots, and I might catch some more a bit further away
Why is City 2 so bad? It grabs the Horses but still remains close to capitole to work FP cottages and has "decent" tiles (Cows, FP to irrigate, PH, some riverside...). No fresh water however. If I wasn't CRE I definitely wouldn't consider it
it's everything kinda out of place...
some good food is burned to the northwest near persia
some commerce is in west, but will be bad with health and food, the gold is 1 tile too west for overlap on capital pigs for example
the horse spot is obviously mandatory, but will be problematic with food again.
my problem with it is, that even if you're creative the horses will be delayed by the border pop and you have tons of roading before you...
imagine situation where the horses would be on river with grasslands instead of plains and either the cows or corn move south with gold closer to capital for really good city spot 2...
I don't like dry maps much... they feel... well dry
, you have a lot of flood, but that means tons of improvements time (strain on workers), not many trees and not that good food...
BornInCantaloup
Agent of Chaos
The mine is only marginally better than a floodplains cottage to build settlers/workers.
Slavery + chops, on the other hand, is very strong and the real reason to research Mining
@city 2: I'd probably expand N or NW first. Your red spot is good to the NW. To the north, there's a riverside spot 3N1E of Thebes that's quite strong (sharing 1 of your 2 food tiles, so Thebes can work floodplains more easily).
Cow/horse city is SW which is kinda bad to claim land. Better for barb defence, however, and to capture barb cities.
I would work corn+forrest ph for now, get three warriors out and settler at size 3/4. I personally would try and grab the cow/corn/gold but it depends on barb activity and rng. Id go pottery before bw just to be safe on the economy. (and an alternative option of granery building instead of warriors while growing later)
If barbs become a problem, the safest would be to settle on ph for horse/sheep imho but you would give up the corn/cow probably. Theres plenty of fog to the nw atm, build enough warriors and dont waste them. Try to move with AI units to advance and dont engage archers unless you can 2v1 in a good spot.
If barbs become a problem, the safest would be to settle on ph for horse/sheep imho but you would give up the corn/cow probably. Theres plenty of fog to the nw atm, build enough warriors and dont waste them. Try to move with AI units to advance and dont engage archers unless you can 2v1 in a good spot.
Didn't really cross my mind in my own game, but there are a couple of reasons I can think of off the top of my head:
- No need to wait for a border pop to be able to improve the horses
- Settling the PH kills the option of having 2 seafood cities instead of one.
- Less room for barbarians to spawn into after the 1st border pop.
pigswill
fly (one day)
Playing a shadow (poorly). What would you do now?
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pigswill
fly (one day)
@JSS. Thanks for the advice.
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pomthom
Drive & Reverb
Sorry to see this didn't work out for you... I'll watch for that Portugese
pomthom
Drive & Reverb
Played 31 turns: from 3160 BC to 1920 BC (turn 52)
Eooookay, I'm back! Sorry for the delay but I was enjoying holidays and other pleasant stuff so had a big break in my civving.
But I'm not letting this game down! Me & Hatty, we fo' life yo.
Things are going ok I think. Settled City 2, got Horses, produced another Settler whilst mostly ending Barb trouble.
Back to the action:
So here's our situation:
I think the best 3rd spot is this one because it grabs good land in the direction of other AIs:
However I am unsure about cities 4&5.
Could City 4 be on this red spot or is it too far?
Or should City 4 be in the desert Stone/Gold/FP area? And in such case which of the violet or grey spots is best?
I also have 2 good backfill cities once expansion will be blocked by AI borders:
As for the Big Plan, things aren't very advanced diplo-wise so don't really know yet. In any case I'm looking at probably 6/7 decent city spots which is a very good perspective...
Other considerations:
Eooookay, I'm back! Sorry for the delay but I was enjoying holidays and other pleasant stuff so had a big break in my civving.
But I'm not letting this game down! Me & Hatty, we fo' life yo.
Things are going ok I think. Settled City 2, got Horses, produced another Settler whilst mostly ending Barb trouble.
Back to the action:
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So here's our situation:
I think the best 3rd spot is this one because it grabs good land in the direction of other AIs:
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However I am unsure about cities 4&5.
Could City 4 be on this red spot or is it too far?
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Or should City 4 be in the desert Stone/Gold/FP area? And in such case which of the violet or grey spots is best?
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I also have 2 good backfill cities once expansion will be blocked by AI borders:
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As for the Big Plan, things aren't very advanced diplo-wise so don't really know yet. In any case I'm looking at probably 6/7 decent city spots which is a very good perspective...
Other considerations:
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Mesdames et Messieurs, what do you think?
Robert FIN
Emperor
Why are you planning to settle your 2nd city away from the Nile? I always get dislikes when settling outta river in NC games.
On Deity you have to get barb defense before they start to be a problem. If horses were not found, Archery would've been teched soon.
Settling your early game cities with short-term benefits in mind is usually the best option anyway. Here the city grabbed horses and cows which are strong tiles to work. Working those 2 tiles outweighs losing the fresh water bonus that only starts affecting you in late game.
Robert FIN
Emperor
Ok, point taken. If this was my game I would've settled horse city and riverside sity as a noob.
pomthom
Drive & Reverb
It wouldn't necessarily have been bad. I chose this spot for the reasons JSS evoked plus also because I was thinking of other city spots: I had to grab the horses whilst not screwing up another spot near the Sheep or Fish.
But your concern is perfectly legitimate, I hate settling with no fresh water (and yet I'm planning my City 3 also with no fresh water... oh well
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pomthom
Drive & Reverb
With the number of cities I probably will manage to obtain, I think I could aim for a classic Lib game with Cuirassiers. What should I tech after Writing? Aesthetics? I could try to bulb Philo with Music's GA.
Wait... Philosophy can be bulbed with a GA? That's something I've never thought about.
I'd tech Aesthetics to use as a trade bait, but head for Currency right after Alpha. You don't have Marble (if I recall correctly), so getting to Literature first is not important. It's true that techs like Drama and Music are great for trading. With a powerful capital and a high number of cities though, Currency -> CoL -> CS makes more sense to me.
I'd tech Aesthetics to use as a trade bait, but head for Currency right after Alpha. You don't have Marble (if I recall correctly), so getting to Literature first is not important. It's true that techs like Drama and Music are great for trading. With a powerful capital and a high number of cities though, Currency -> CoL -> CS makes more sense to me.
