Deja vu: Algeria

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...73/Algerian-protesters-clash-with-police.html

Algerian protesters clash with police

Thousands of people defied an official ban on demonstrations in the Algerian capital and gathered in the city center for an pro-reform protest, the day after weeks of mass protests in Egypt succeeded in toppling the president.

Organizers of the march estimated some 10,000 people had flooded downtown Algiers, where they skirmished with riot police attempting to block off streets and disperse the crowd. Some arrests were reported.

Government opponents called for a mass protest march to demand democratic change and jobs.

But some local residents stayed away and thousands of police in riot gear were moved to the capital to try and enforce a ban on the march.

"I am sorry to say the government has deployed a huge force to prevent a peaceful march. This is not good for Algeria's image," said Mustafa Bouachichi, a leader of the League for Human Rights which is helping organise the protest.

The protesters on May 1 Square, near the centre of the city, shouted "Bouteflika Out!" – a reference to the Algerian president – and some waved copies of a newspaper front page with the headline "Mubarak has fallen!"

The resignation on Friday of Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak, and last month's overthrow of Tunisia's leader, have electrified the Arab world and led many to ask which country could be next in a region where an explosive mix of authoritarian rule and popular anger is the norm.

Widespread unrest in Algeria could have implications for the world economy because it is a major oil and gas exporter. But many analysts say a revolt is unlikely because the government can use its energy wealth to resolve most grievances.

The protest march was began at May 1 Square at 11am (10am GMT).

When a handful of protesters arrived there two hours in advance, police arrested some of them and encircled the rest.

A small counter-protest started up nearby, with people chanting "We want peace not chaos!" and "Algeria is not Egypt!"

A police helicopter hovered over the neighbourhood and about 200 officers in helmets and armed with batons were at the square. Dozens of police vehicles were parked nearby.

Thousands more police were on standby in other parts of Algiers, a city of densely packed whitewashed buildings on a steep hillside sloping down to the Mediterranean Sea.

Near Kennedy Square, about two miles from the centre, police outnumbered local residents. They milled around in riot gear, drinking coffee, smoking and reading newspapers.

Other Arab countries have also felt the ripples from the revolts in Egypt and Tunisia. Jordan's King Abdullah replaced his prime minister after protests and in Yemen, President Ali Abdullah Saleh promised opponents he would not seek a new term.

Protest organisers in Algeria – who say they draw some of their inspiration from events in Egypt and Tunisia – said police were turning people away before they could reach the march, or parallel protests planned for other cities.

"Algerians must be allowed to express themselves freely and hold peaceful protests in Algiers and elsewhere," the rights group Amnesty International said in a statement.

The government says it refused permission for the rally for public order reasons, not because it is trying to stifle dissent. It says it is working hard to create jobs and build new homes, and has promised more democratic freedoms.

Saturday's protest is not backed by Algeria's main trade unions, its biggest opposition parties or the radical Islamist groups which were banned in the early 1990s but still retain grassroots influence.

The march "is likely to be violent, but unlikely to destabilise the regime," said Eurasia Group, a political risk consultancy.

Odds Bouteflika heeds the warnings from Egypt and Tunisia and is ousted/resigns?

Who/what will take over?
 
Saturday's protest is not backed by Algeria's main trade unions, its biggest opposition parties or the radical Islamist groups which were banned in the early 1990s but still retain grassroots influence.

Unless they get the support of some, or all of these groups like in Egypt, which had the support of the working class, unions, and Muslim Brotherhood then it's not going to work in Algeria.
 
Unless they get the support of some, or all of these groups like in Egypt, which had the support of the working class, unions, and Muslim Brotherhood then it's not going to work in Algeria.

I can't imagine those groups will hold out for long. If they want to see some real change, they will eventually back the protesters.
 
Can someone please doodle up a comic of dominos falling over, with the dominos covered in the flags of all these countries..?
 
There was a comic like that floating around here some odd days ago...

can't seem to find it now.
 
For some reason it feels as if we have been in one Paradox game, and now we have been converted into the next in the series. States that were stable in the last version are suddenly unstable. Fits with the date too, the original probably had an end date at 2010.
 
If only Bush knew that all it took was Twitter and Facebook...
 
Can someone please doodle up a comic of dominos falling over, with the dominos covered in the flags of all these countries..?


Hosni_Mubarak_facing_the_Tunisia_domino_effect.png
 
I've despised Bouteflika for years. His last name just bugs me.
 

Link to video.

If only Bush knew that all it took was Twitter and Facebook...
Popular uprisings pre-date social media, and are invariably viewed with suspicion by the powerful. The Iraq War wasn't just about replacing Saddam, it was about replacing Saddam with the right people.
 
Unless they get the support of some, or all of these groups like in Egypt, which had the support of the working class, unions, and Muslim Brotherhood then it's not going to work in Algeria.

:yup: And the military, too.

The protests in Algeria started at about the same time as the protests in Tunisia and actually seemed to have lost steam a bit before Mubarak fell. Maybe it's gathering pace again?
 
Well, yes. Egypt will only encourage them. On the other hand, the Arab rulers have a clear example of how it can go down for them, so they can possibly avoid that through concessions. Plus, I'm sure the circumstances are different in each country. So really, who knows what will happen next.

It does excite me though, because I've never seen a popular reform movement/overthrow within my lifetime. I can't imagine anything like that happening in the US. However, we haven't had a multi-decade dictatorship either, so I suppose that's only natural.
 
A country is not the same as another country, but nice if moar dictatorships fall. The more places that happens, the more chance we get good democratic outcomes in at least some of them, more examples of Islamist parties actually governing according to democratic principles.
 
Is it wrong that I find these events entertaining?
 
I'm going to party like it's 1989
 
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