Oh wow.
Deja vu indeed.Like in Egypt, I think the military's going to be key to this one too.
Deja vu: Algeria
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Oh wow.
Deja vu indeed.Like in Egypt, I think the military's going to be key to this one too.
Kozmos
Jew Detective
Internet was not so prominent back then.
Kozmos
Jew Detective
You can argue 1848 was a failure and that 1989 was due to economic and central overseer collapse. In the case of the Balkans it was the usual scheduled explosion of the ethnic powder keg. Romania can be considered an exception.
I'd say it was partially successful, and it was still a revolutionary wave, no? And besides, it's still too early to judge how successful this current wave would ultimately be anyway.
Like the state of much of the Arab World right?
Ingrained ethnic hatred is very overrated.
SKILORD
Insurgent
YOU try explaining to people that geopolitics is not a game of Risk and that despite a geographic proximity these states all face different economic and social problems that makes organizing and perpetuating protests in each of them a different affair altogether.
But hey, it turns out It's 1848 all over again. Good for you North Africa, you deserved a break.
Wow, some people set themselves on fire? Crazy.
So Tunisia's revolution was the Jasmine Revolution. There was a Rose Revolution in Georgia and was Czech Republic the Velvet Revolution? What other revolutions with girly names will come up?
So Tunisia's revolution was the Jasmine Revolution. There was a Rose Revolution in Georgia and was Czech Republic the Velvet Revolution? What other revolutions with girly names will come up?
mitsho
Deity
I don't believe in Domino Theory.
The reasoning is 1. Tunisia 2. Yemen 3. Egypt 4. Algeria . Ok, that looks like a row, but that doesn't imply causation. Of course, the events in one country inspire things in others, the "setting himself on fire" got quite the attention in many Arab countries. But it's not the sole cause, and that is what the "domino-talk" on the tv networks seems to imply myself.
If you write down this row like above, it's a positive reasoning: "see, in these cases it happened". I would rather be interested in the cases that share "Arab media" and "Suppresion" yet where no revolution happened: Jordan where the King was successful in avoiding a big turmoil, Syria where concessions were made by the regime, Morocco from where I have heard nothing.
The reasoning is 1. Tunisia 2. Yemen 3. Egypt 4. Algeria . Ok, that looks like a row, but that doesn't imply causation. Of course, the events in one country inspire things in others, the "setting himself on fire" got quite the attention in many Arab countries. But it's not the sole cause, and that is what the "domino-talk" on the tv networks seems to imply myself.
If you write down this row like above, it's a positive reasoning: "see, in these cases it happened". I would rather be interested in the cases that share "Arab media" and "Suppresion" yet where no revolution happened: Jordan where the King was successful in avoiding a big turmoil, Syria where concessions were made by the regime, Morocco from where I have heard nothing.
The domino effect makes sense. One of the most important things for a revolution to take place is some sort of spark, some sort of event that everyone can agree "ok, NOW is the time". Nothing's better than revolutions all around you in other nations.
bestrfcplayer
Steppin' up!
Well, if the revolution trend continues like this, I can see democrecy flying out the window in the Middle East.
mitsho
Deity
yeah, as the spark I agree. But "domino theory" in general refers to the idea of an idea/institution spreading from one country to the other, be it democracy in this case or communism in the vietnam war-time. And this just seems wrong. The revolution might arrive because of the sparks flying around, but that is neither a genius idea nor something new, it's just obvious. Now the revolution have happened in Tunisia and Egypt, but it totally not clear to what these will lead, and "Democracy" (What kind of democracy, how many freedoms, etc. ...) is only one of the options!
I disagree with the notions of the middle eastern countries falling down like dominoe stones towards Democracy. Not to the notion that a revolution in one country can be a accelerating or starting factor in another country. An example can be the large demonstrations that have happened the last year all over Europe, be it in France over Social Services, the Student Fee "Riots" in London or Stuttgart 21 or the Nuclear Debate over Gorleben in Germany. See "Indignez-vous" de Stéphane Herschel. That is a clear sign of dominoes, but the implications are very different in all of the countries. I rest my case.
I disagree with the notions of the middle eastern countries falling down like dominoe stones towards Democracy. Not to the notion that a revolution in one country can be a accelerating or starting factor in another country. An example can be the large demonstrations that have happened the last year all over Europe, be it in France over Social Services, the Student Fee "Riots" in London or Stuttgart 21 or the Nuclear Debate over Gorleben in Germany. See "Indignez-vous" de Stéphane Herschel. That is a clear sign of dominoes, but the implications are very different in all of the countries. I rest my case.
I don't think the domino theory is about ideas spreading from one country to another, but rather imitations as a result of success in other countries. If the marginalized in one country see the marginalized in another country succeeding, it can inspire them to action. Doesn't necessarily have to involve success but the attempt.
mitsho
Deity
Yeah, I can see the truth in your interpretation, but the media treats it like a deterministic single cause. You don't and that's ok. 
Traitorfish
The Tighnahulish Kid
Isn't the American reluctance to make any comparison to left-wing revolutionist movements that isn't utterly damning entirely predictable?
