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Parmenion

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I couldn't find anything in previous posts, so here goes.

Anyone think that Democracy should be an Ancient Tech seeing as the Greeks were the inventors of Democracy (Democrates wasn't it?) well before Alexander the Great's time. I think Monarchy should be earlier too, although I sometimes confuse Despotism with Monarchy. For example, was Julius Ceasar a despot or a monarch? He definitely ruled initially by threat of military force, but there was some contention as to whether his kids should get the job after he passed away.

I just had this premonitionary feeling that someone is going to reply that this topic has been done to death and that I should look harder next time....sorry to you guys.
 
The republic represents Greco-Roman democracy. Democracy represents modern democracy. If anything, I think democracy should come later.
 
"Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the
citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a
double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows
the mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and
the blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will
have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the
citizenry, infused with fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer
up all of their rights unto the leader and gladly so. How do I know?
For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar."

-- Julius Caesar
 
Originally posted by Badluck
"Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the
citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a
double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows
the mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and
the blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will
have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the
citizenry, infused with fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer
up all of their rights unto the leader and gladly so. How do I know?
For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar."

-- Julius Caesar

Gee, sounds like that annoying country down south....;) j/k
 
Thanks Badluck, I didn't know old Julio was such a great poet. That speech was class, worthy of any of the great orators.
I guess you made your point with it, he was a despot after all.

In which case, is the difference between a despot and a monarch that a monarch has achieved his/her position by bloodright/divine right rather than by threat of force? If so, then how is it possible to have a transition from Despotism to Maonarchy in Civ? Do we suddenly decide that our rule is by divine proclamation when we discover that we've been alive for 3000 years and never had a cold even once? Or do we declare that we are descended from a line of ancient kings even though Monarchy has only just been discovered?

I'm confused and my head hurts.
 
Deep in the human Unconsious is a pervasive need for a
logical universe that makes sense. But the real universe
is always one step beyond logic.
- Frank hebert

i feel like quoting poeple ...
 
Originally posted by Badluck

i feel like quoting poeple ...

Then I shall do the same:

"It is better to be violent, if there is violence in our hearts, than to put on the cloak of nonviolence to cover impotence."
-Gandhi

Sounds like the Gandhi of Civ III took this to heart from the Gandhi of Real Life... :)

- Windwalker
 
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