Democratic aggressors seek to strip Florida of its right to vote

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All the major Democratic candidates for president have signed a pledge promising they will only go to Florida or Michigan when they want to raise money.

Among the really bad ideas in the history of the Democratic Party, this ranks somewhere between butterfly ballots and William Jennings Bryan.

Hillary Clinton, John Edwards and Barack Obama have all vowed to honor the Democratic National Committee rule that only New Hampshire, Iowa, South Carolina and Nevada can hold primaries before Feb. 5. At the urging of the Democratic chairs of the four firsties, they signed a pact promising not to campaign in any state that tries to break into the front of the line. There is, however, an exception for “activities specifically related to raising campaign resources.”

Florida has moved to Jan. 29, and Michigan to Jan. 15. Cue the Democratic Death Star.

“Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina need to be first because in these states, ideas count, not just money,” said Edwards. He actually sent out a press release bragging that he had signed an agreement under which he can hang out with the fat cats at a Miami fund-raiser, but would presumably have to flee in the other direction if a group of regular citizens stopped him at the airport to ask for his views on health insurance.

What were they thinking?

“No comment,” said an Obama spokesman.

“She thinks it was important to honor the normal procedure the Democratic National Committee set forth,” said a Clinton spokesman. We hope to see this sentiment on a banner at Hillary’s next Rally for Change.

Ray Buckley, the chairman of New Hampshire’s Democratic Party, urged that all questions be directed to Carol Fowler, the chairwoman in South Carolina. “It was her idea,” he said.

Fowler did not respond to a request for comment.

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Let’s take a brief pause here to vent about Florida.

In election years, Florida rules the universe. The major presidential candidates spend half their waking hours riding back and forth between Tampa and Daytona Beach. Because all politicians quiver in terror of Florida, we have a completely loony policy toward Cuba and ridiculously high sugar tariffs. And now, Florida has moved its presidential primary up because it feels that it has not been getting enough attention.

There. I feel better.

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The Florida primary was moved by the State Legislature, a body in which Democrats have about as much control over policy as Harry Reid does over Iraq. Nevertheless, the D.N.C. is planning to strip it of all its convention delegates, so whoever wins the primary will come away with — nothing. This is not the perfect way to woo a state that will probably come in handy down the line. Florida is also not the very best place to announce that when voters go to the polls, the Democratic Party has made sure that none of their votes will count.

Meanwhile, the Republicans are snickering. Their leaders in New Hampshire, Iowa, etc., aren’t trying to get candidates to sign blood pacts about where they campaign. And while in theory, rebellious states could lose Republican delegates, too, nothing will happen until the convention next year when it will almost certainly be too late for anybody to care. Meanwhile, as Michael Luo reported in The Times, Florida Republicans are urging Democratic voters to change their registration so they can vote in a primary that really means something.

All this is happening to protect a primary schedule that’s not worth saving. If Florida moves, the argument goes, the first four will move, too, and you’ll have the Iowa caucus in December instead of January. Big deal. Iowa in the winter is Iowa in the winter.

Michigan Democrats, bent on undermining the tyranny of New Hampshire firstism, seem determined to march down the Florida path. “We are taking on the system!” said Debbie Dingell, a longtime party leader. As it stands now, Michigan will get the no-delegate treatment, and if a group of Detroit children invite Obama to their school, he’ll have to tell them that he needs to see a check first.

In one reluctant concession, the Democratic chairs in Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina and that great American tradition, the Nevada caucus, are graciously allowing one exemption to the no-campaigning rule so the candidates can participate in a conference held in Dearborn by the Arab American Institute.

Are you following all this? Here’s where we are so far:

Florida:

A) One man, no vote.

B) No talking to any Floridians who are not waving checkbooks.

Michigan: Both of the above, but Arab-Americans organized into a large conference are exempt.

Really, the Democrats should give it up. The worst that can happen is that the states will keep jumping ahead. They’ll have to stop once the New Hampshire primary occurs immediately after the presidential inauguration.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/27/opinion/27collins.html?hp

It's good to see the GOP stand up for the right of the voice of the people to be heard. I can only imagine the hypocrisy it took for the DNC to even contemplate this action. Though it is refreshing to see a party lay out what it values most bare for the entire world to see.
 
I thought a primary was a pre-season election that doesn't really count.

Selects the candidates for November. The first states to vote really end up setting the election, though.
 
It is likely that the Florida delegates won't be marginally decisive on who seals the nomination, so ultimately, when it comes time for the convention, the powers that be in the party will let the delegates be counted.
 
It is likely that the Florida delegates won't be marginally decisive on who seals the nomination, so ultimately, when it comes time for the convention, the powers that be in the party will let the delegates be counted.

No, but they'll be rather decisive in the trend they set.
 
primaries eliminate candidates down to 1 per party.

personally I think primaries should be held at the same time and no earlier than may. choosing the candidates so early means we're stuck with them if they mess up, and having one state before another means that states that power rests solely in the hands of the early states to determine the winner.
 
It is likely that the Florida delegates won't be marginally decisive on who seals the nomination, so ultimately, when it comes time for the convention, the powers that be in the party will let the delegates be counted.

No, but they'll be rather decisive in the trend they set.

You're both right. Primaries are rarely close and so excluding one state's votes would be pointless. Florida's early primary is going to go a long way in giving one candidate a lot of momentum. Whoever wins the state is unlikely to throw away that momentum. The DNC can't nullify Florida's new influence by theatening to strip it of its delegates. Making such a threat is colossally stupid and hillariously ironic.
 
:hmm: the DNC is on record with the threat to strip Florida of all of its delegates and the RNC is on record with the threat to strip it of 50-90% of its delegates (linky) - there is not much of a difference and in either case no one really expects this to happen when the candidates get chosen officially at the conventions since neither party really wants to have that bad a press in florida...
 
“Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina need to be first because in these states, ideas count, not just money,” said Edwards. He actually sent out a press release bragging that he had signed an agreement under which he can hang out with the fat cats at a Miami fund-raiser, but would presumably have to flee in the other direction if a group of regular citizens stopped him at the airport to ask for his views on health insurance.
:lol: Nice choice of words.
 
primaries eliminate candidates down to 1 per party.

personally I think primaries should be held at the same time and no earlier than may. choosing the candidates so early means we're stuck with them if they mess up, and having one state before another means that states that power rests solely in the hands of the early states to determine the winner.

I agree. Sometimes historical tradition becomes ******ed.
 
Michigan: Both of the above, but Arab-Americans organized into a large conference are exempt.

I though most arab americans were republicans
 
Good Idea sign over Florida to the republicans.
 
The choice whether or not to seat delegates is up to the presumptive candidate (yes, conventions ARE that fixed).

No nominated candidate is gonna spurn Florida after it no longer matters (i.e., with or without Florida's votes, they probably still have the nomination wrapped up tight) because that would only risk losing Florida's vote in the election that MATTERS aka the one in November 2008.

Florida has correctly gambled that they can set a primary as early as they damn well want and the candidates can't do crap about it. What's more the Florida Dems don't even have a choice, the GOP governor is going to veto any change in the primary day, and they don't have the money for a separate by-mail primary.

The DNC's threats to Florida are both ******ed and utterly impotent. Kinda sums up the DNC.

...and we should change this country so we have a national primary coupled with public campaign finance. That way, everyone gets a vote that could potentially swing the nomination, and no candidate is left out just because they can't get fat-cat corporate backing to buy airtime in big states.
 
The choice whether or not to seat delegates is up to the presumptive candidate (yes, conventions ARE that fixed).

No nominated candidate is gonna spurn Florida after it no longer matters (i.e., with or without Florida's votes, they probably still have the nomination wrapped up tight) because that would only risk losing Florida's vote in the election that MATTERS aka the one in November 2008.

Florida has correctly gambled that they can set a primary as early as they damn well want and the candidates can't do crap about it. What's more the Florida Dems don't even have a choice, the GOP governor is going to veto any change in the primary day, and they don't have the money for a separate by-mail primary.

The DNC's threats to Florida are both ******ed and utterly impotent. Kinda sums up the DNC.

...and we should change this country so we have a national primary coupled with public campaign finance. That way, everyone gets a vote that could potentially swing the nomination, and no candidate is left out just because they can't get fat-cat corporate backing to buy airtime in big states.

Did you see that bill they are trying to push?
Iowa and New Hampshire go first then there are 3 big regional primary's?
 
personally I think primaries should be held at the same time and no earlier than may. choosing the candidates so early means we're stuck with them if they mess up, and having one state before another means that states that power rests solely in the hands of the early states to determine the winner.

Correct. And there's a good way to achieve that, called National Popular Vote. Each state which signs on to the idea conditionally commits all its delegates to the candidate getting the most votes nationwide. The condition is that this only applies after enough states, collectively controlling a majority of the electoral college, sign on. Voila, no revision of the U.S. Constitution required. So far only Maryland has passed this bill, but California and a few others have passed the bill through at least one house of their legislature.

Good Idea sign over Florida to the republicans.

You forgot to italicize. :mischief:
 
Correct. And there's a good way to achieve that, called National Popular Vote. Each state which signs on to the idea conditionally commits all its delegates to the candidate getting the most votes nationwide. The condition is that this only applies after enough states, collectively controlling a majority of the electoral college, sign on. Voila, no revision of the U.S. Constitution required. So far only Maryland has passed this bill, but California and a few others have passed the bill through at least one house of their legislature.



You forgot to italicize. :mischief:

If that bill is just as you said than I am in favor of it in a BIG WAY. :goodjob:
 
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