Deny, Defend, Depose

[Estebonrober]

I'm not one to condone violence generally, but this guy has become a hero to many already... so guys and gals, hero or villain?

 

[Cutlass]

It's an indictment of the health insurance generally that this question is even coming up. Many people are saying this guy had it coming. Because violence can never be condoned. But violence is the last resort of the powerless.

 

[Estebonrober]

It's an indictment of the health insurance generally that this question is even coming up. Many people are saying this guy had it coming. Because violence can never be condoned. But violence is the last resort of the powerless.

Violence is the first resort of the powerful though and that's where my moral outrage at vigilantism gets messed up.... this CEO is responsible for many who died early (sometimes much earlier), many who lived lives of agony without a real reason, or just old-fashioned medical bankruptcy. All of that is an insane amount of violence that this person made a ton of money off of while getting to pretend he was a good human being.

 

[Cutlass]

And that's why so many people are not mourning the man's death.

 

[Arwon]

It's like the Shinzo Abe shooting, the assassin had a point and it might even succeed to shift policy and discourse.

 

[Klaus Hergersheimer]

"extrajudicial killings could be used to augment society boy is that Trump a fascist or what"

 

[Estebonrober]

"extrajudicial killings could be used to augment society boy is that Trump a fascist or what"

So hero?

 

[Kyriakos]

Depose and Flee:

 

[Arwon]

"extrajudicial killings could be used to augment society boy is that Trump a fascist or what"

As one of literally hundreds of people in the world from places other than the US, I figure my views on the assassination of a dangerous over leader there can just be as purely utilitarian as all the foreign assassinations a lot of Americans endorse

 

[danjuno]

"extrajudicial killings could be used to augment society boy is that Trump a fascist or what"

"Resisting oppression is the same as oppression, actually."

 

[Broken_Erika]

All i can say is that nothing of value was lost.

 

[Syno]

I tried to offer my condolences but it turned out they were out of network.

 

[Syno]

Pithy one-liner aside: This is the inevitable result of a system that fails its people again, and again, and again. This man, his underlings, and the system he worked for and actively propped up all contribute to an incredible amount of human suffering and death. His life's work was profiting off of misery and trying to increase it for personal gain and arbitrary shareholder value. He is not an aberration but a distinctly intended function. People can only tolerate this for so long before they bite back.

 

[Klaus Hergersheimer]

So hero?

jiminy cricket I think the wooosh going over your head just broke the sound barrier. But I guess someone who also entertained the idea that Houthi pirates offer some valuable insight against global capitalism would be sure to miss it.

So who is it that's floating the prepubescent hooliganism boat for you now, I wonder? Some guy that essentially guns down another in cold blood whose name I'm sure you didn't even know of until like yesterday...

and maybe 10+ years ago, in his quest against police brutality, yet with a quite similar level of gushing-over from certain inept quarters of the general public, it was this guy?

Christopher Dorner shootings and manhunt - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

oh, you "would never condone voilence, but"...

"But"
Let me ask you: Why the faux appeal for some sort of a debate on what is otherwise a police manhunt for a murderer at large--lest this guy now develop some air of invincibility and keep on killing before he's caught? As I'm more than confident that if this guy just happened to miss and hit a bystander (which tends to happen a lot in shootings on public streets), half of you would be right back here decrying the lack of American gun control and not some lack of care I'm sure you'd just as easily blame on the medical doctors or health department officials if not the insurance company. Because, c'mon, they all make more money than you anyway...

fwiw, my answer to the question in an otherwise disgustingly-premised topic would be that which I hope any decent person would offer, and that is: no, no he is not a hero.
perhaps I would offer some pang of being somewhat intrigued by him if he immediately surrendered himself and claimed self-defense for the working class, but like any rat, he's running, and probably more than content that his actions are shrouded in mystery to keep people guessing. And the brains of ignorant people are left to fill in the gaps with their own revenge fantasies.
For that, I'll leave it up to our various UK posters to answer the question if, after chucking-out a private health system, there are still denials, or at least long delays, of any sort of medical care one would (uh) care to mention that this gunmen [if we're to believe his cheerleaders] wanted to instigate via bloodshed.

And something else to chew on for a bit if you want to insist that a killer is somehow striking a blow for the little guy. And that is: most Americans are actually content with their health insurance, and I'm too tired to do it now but there are polls out there which reflect this.
{maybe I'll edit this and post it later [here], I dunno...}
So just so you know, that this is the hill that people who are rooting for this guy are mounting a frontal assault against. And with what weapons? Maybe that: most Americans are lying to themselves? They shouldn't be happy? I expect that attack to pratfall when this guy gets nabbed and we learn he has Lyndon Larouche brochures holding up his TV stand or something.

 

[Lexicus]

Violence can never be condoned except when it's Palestinian toddlers I guess

 

[Smellincoffee]

It's an indictment of the health insurance generally that this question is even coming up. Many people are saying this guy had it coming. Because violence can never be condoned. But violence is the last resort of the powerless.

Yes, the smirking twerp certainly looked powerless.

All i can say is that nothing of value was lost.

I imagine his children disagree.

 

[GenMarshall]

Hands down, the guy who killed the CEO is a criminal and should be punished to the full extent of the law. Full Stop.

 

[Zardnaar]

Hard one. Somewhat understandable but generally opposed to the death penalty.

Selective blindness on the photo. Can't make out any distinguishing features.

 

[Valka D'Ur]

As one of literally hundreds of people in the world from places other than the US, I figure my views on the assassination of a dangerous over leader there can just be as purely utilitarian as all the foreign assassinations a lot of Americans endorse

What about the deceased merits the word "assassination"? Fancy word for someone who was basically a greedy thug in a suit who cared nothing that his decisions were killing people.

Now that I've learned a bit more about this, I'm not wasting any grief over him.

 

[Arwon]

I tried to offer my condolences but it turned out they were out of network.

I hear getting shot is a pre-existing condition