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Did America ACTUALLY have 400 years of slavery?

Discussion in 'World History' started by caketastydelish, May 24, 2019.

  1. abradley

    abradley Chieftain

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    In Rome a slave's life wasn't worth a plug nickel, in America slaves were worth something (Depending on the time) and could be expensive to replace.
     
  2. caketastydelish

    caketastydelish 49ers 2019

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    How were the Roman slaves not worth anything? What do you mean by that ?
     
  3. abradley

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    Simple, Rome had the technology and man power to build water mills, instead they used slaves. That is until they stopped conquering then they started switching over to water mills.
     
  4. Traitorfish

    Traitorfish The Tighnahulish Kid

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    Wait, are you somehow under the impression that Roman slaves were used exclusively to power treadmills?
     
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  5. caketastydelish

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    I seriously don't understand why that matters. I think the gladiators were slaves. The fact that they were forced to kill each other sounds more valid IMO in terms of "Roman slaves had it worse."
     
  6. red_elk

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    From what I read, the cost of slaves in Ancient Rome varied wildly. A slave with unique skills could cost a fortune, like hundreds of thousands dollars in modern prices. Unskilled workers were much cheaper but still young healthy men or beautiful women did cost a lot. "Not worth a plug nickel" was probably true only for old or sick people who were a net loss to keep.
     
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    Water mills only work when there is a good flow of river.

    Many places in the Roman empire did not have year round flowing rivers.

    Made little sense to build a watermill for perhaps just 3 wet months
    and and have unskilled slaves still needing to fed, idling by.
     
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  8. Lexicus

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    Well, except, you know, me. Rome also wrongfully executed the person that Christians consider to be the Messiah, just saying.

    abradley is just reciting 19th-century proslavery literature talking points verbatim. Don't take anything he says seriously.
     
  9. abradley

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    One way the Roman slave's lot was worse was the owner could kill them legally, for any reason. Rome wasn't a land of compassion.
    https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/archive/index.php/t-367333.html

    "Conclusion
    The entire Roman state and cultural apparatus was, then, built on the exploitation of one part of the population to provide for the other part. Regarded as no more than a commodity, any good treatment a slave received was largely only to preserve their value as a worker and as an asset in the case of future sale. No doubt, some slave owners were more generous than others and there was, in a few cases, the possibility of earning one's freedom but the harsh day-to-day reality of the vast majority of Roman slaves was certainly an unenviable one."
    https://www.ancient.eu/article/629/slavery-in-the-roman-world/
     
  10. Owen Glyndwr

    Owen Glyndwr La Femme Moderne

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    Ironic, then, that the type of slavery typically associated with the brutal conditions you're citing was, in fact, penal slavery.

    Also - rather disingenuous to make blanket declarations about the nature of slavery in the whole of Roman history when the category meant different things within the context of different kinds of labor, and the institution changed pretty substantially over the course of its history.
     
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  11. abradley

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    Yes they did, but who was calling the tune?

    This is a rock opera, not theologically valid, but I feel you should be able to figure who was behind the Crucifixion.
     
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  12. Plotinus

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    If you're trying to blame Andrew Lloyd Weber for the crucifixion, it's hardly the worst thing he's done.
     

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