Diplo for D'nut

Tubby Rower

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Can we get a quick message out to Donut that we would like to schedule a IM time to discuss life as we know it. Who would like to be involved in these discussions?
 
Just sent this to the nutters gmail account (where the first letter came from)
Hail to the Foreign Affairs Counsul of the Doughnutians,

Can we schedule an IM chat? We have members on AIM and MSN. Please respond as soon as you feel is necessary.

Thanks,
Your friendly neighborhood Idiots
 
Fantastic Tubs. Now we need to discuss how we are going to explain our relationship with MIA. I think they would agree that any discussion of them should feign disinterest, like Donut has, but that we are cordial enough so we can draw out war discussions. There also may be some information they can offer about MIA that we don't know. This should also be drawn out. I don't think we should agree to anything until we have an opportunity to see the trade picture with TNT. Remember 2 fer.
 
I don't know what time this is but I'll figure it out
Greeting to the people of KISS,

I will be available to chat on msn tomorrow ,wed 12/10 +9.5h GMT,
between 9.00 and 13.00. My address is rdragoljevic@hotmail.com

Robi D

EDIT:: I think that it's 7:30 - 11:30 PM EST tonight. not sure though. So that would be 6:30-10:30 for you Whomp

EDIT:: EDIT:: Should I respond with some of our MSN addies? Should I also tell him that we do diplo via swarm. Like when we hide in fe's neighbor's bushes :lol:
 
Per usual 2 or 3 max on the Donut IM but unlimited behind the scenes. I would go ahead and add mine whether I'm on the main call or not since I wouldn't miss this for all the dyes in the jungle. ;)

bawhompATyahooDOTcom
 
Just for clarification, will the time suggested in your prior mail be 7:30pm - 11:30 PM EST (GMT -4). I haven't seen much of the GMT offset where it's x.5. Here are a couple of addresses from our team. Others might be there but one of these two should be there.

bawhomp AT yahoo DOT com
casey DOT venters AT hotmail DOT com

Here was my latest reply
 
I will try to be in the background, but my recomendation for the front men (as schedules permit - darn real life...) would be Whomp - POTKISS, Tubby - he can look at numbers and see things, and Dag - since he knows our relationship with MIA the best.

We can always come up with an ambasadorial team later, but you three would bring the most to the table from my humble opinion.

My idiodic opinion.
 
I don't know how much help I'll be. If they start up with the role-playing crap and wasting my time, I just might :gripe:

If we get the run around as MIA has then I'm going to just leave. After all, we aren't the ones with immortals on our doorsteps. :mischief:
 
Tubby Rower said:
I don't know how much help I'll be. If they start up with the role-playing crap and wasting my time,

If you could be in the background then. But let me help you with the role playing...

Hmm. Hmm.

"Greetings noble representative of the Donought nations. We emisaries of the gentle Celtic nation pray you fare well. We are friendly seekers of knowledge.

What secrets have your scientists unlocked that we might trade for?

How many majestic cities comprise the great Donught empire?

What does it feel like to have the Persian Immortals fabricate a new sphincter?

Would you like to dispense with pleanantries and get down to the business of getting Mounted Waririors so you can take it to TNT?"

Best I can do on short notice. Hope it helps. ;)
 
We're basically doing a tech swap with the nutters
Robi D says:
yes, once you have writing if your happy to we can do a CoL + Philo for IW + WC + CB + Myst
That's 480 beakers to 405 beakers in our favor... Sure they got 300 of those free but we can't help that or change it.

Then we can go straight for Republic 840 beakers away.
Spoiler entire conversation :

Robi D says:
how are you tubby rower
Tubby Rower says:
I'm fine
Tubby Rower says:
And you?
Robi D says:
not too bad
Tubby Rower says:
How is life in Doughnutia?
Robi D says:
pretty busy, how are you all doing there in KISS
Tubby Rower says:
well thank you.
Robi D says:
good to hear
Tubby Rower says:
Can I add someone
Robi D says:
sure
Tubby Rower says:
DaveShack is away but feel free to add him

admiral kutzov has been added to the conversation.

Tubby Rower says:
This is our naval commander
Robi D says:
i've sent him a meesage
Tubby Rower says:
Admiral Kutzov
admiral kutzov says:
greetings and salutations
Tubby Rower says:
AK, this is Robi
Robi D says:
greeting AK
admiral kutzov says:
I've promised tubs I'll behave
Robi D says:
hows the kiss fleet going
admiral kutzov says:
ginger and maryann have promised to let the professor live
Robi D says:
lol
admiral kutzov says:
R, do u understand igor?
Robi D says:
well we should get down to buisness, do you guys have alphabet
Tubby Rower says:
yes
Robi D says:
pottery?
Tubby Rower says:
yup
admiral kutzov says:
yes bidness
Tubby Rower says:
do you have the Wheel?
Robi D says:
hmm, writing
Robi D says:
no, we dont have wheel
Tubby Rower says:
uh uh... tit for tat
Tubby Rower says:
how about WC?
Robi D says:
no
Tubby Rower says:
Writing will be ours ifew turns
Robi D says:
ok
admiral kutzov says:
if tubs could type
Tubby Rower says:
i cna tpye
Tubby Rower says:

Robi D says:
do you have IW
admiral kutzov says:
no we are not the evil empire
Tubby Rower says:
yes we have IW
admiral kutzov says:
we do\?
Tubby Rower says:
yup
admiral kutzov says:
i missed that my bad
admiral kutzov says:
we're still not evil
Robi D says:
ok, i'll be back in a minute i just need to check something
Tubby Rower says:
What is it that you guys need?
Robi D says:
sorry, thanks for being patient, it a bit hard to trade atm since you guys need to have writing for CoL, but would a trade along the lines of Col for IW + WC be of interest
Robi D says:
we will have wheel in a couple of turns
Tubby Rower says:
hang on a minute
Tubby Rower says:
let me look
Robi D says:
no probs
Tubby Rower says:
how far past writing are you guys?
admiral kutzov says:
R, as a simple warmonger, embroiled in this diplo stuff, it helps if I know a little about u. quid pro qou?
Robi D says:
we have philo and CoL atm
Robi D says:
what do you need to know AM
admiral kutzov says:
native land?
admiral kutzov says:
in RL
Robi D says:
australia
Robi D says:
you?
admiral kutzov says:
OMG an OZ!
admiral kutzov says:
US
Tubby Rower says:
I'm from eastern US as well
admiral kutzov says:
rednecks and hillbillies
Robi D says:
lol, the time zone can be difficult for us, being in between eur. and US
Robi D says:
all the important things happen in the middle of the night
Tubby Rower says:
not really
admiral kutzov says:
here's a freebie, we're both old
Tubby Rower says:
it's evening here for us and morning there for you
admiral kutzov says:
and have produced younglings (independently of each other0
Robi D says:
im not that young myself
admiral kutzov says:
tubs is old
Tubby Rower says:
I'm only 28
admiral kutzov says:
really old
Robi D says:
well im 27
Tubby Rower says:
but you look younger than me, AK.
admiral kutzov says:
but his wife says i look young
Tubby Rower says:
AK's 41
Tubby Rower says:
But he looks 25-30
admiral kutzov says:
but immature for my age
admiral kutzov says:
R, your honesty is appreciated. we can now talk in the manner of friends
Robi D says:
no probs
Tubby Rower says:
Robi, are you guys headed toward a republic or a monarchy?
Robi D says:
technically im at work and should be doing this
admiral kutzov says:
so who wants to trade what to whom and when
Tubby Rower says:
If you need to go, we respect that and will shake hands and depart
Tubby Rower says:
until another time
admiral kutzov says:
tubs will trade me to u for a price
admiral kutzov says:
with glee
Tubby Rower says:
I wouldn't trade you
Robi D says:
Atm we have stopped going forwards as other issues have come up so were collect the base techs
Tubby Rower says:
maybe igor
admiral kutzov says:
lol
Tubby Rower says:
Do you need to go or can negotiations continue?
admiral kutzov says:
R, we'll focus now and be good
Robi D says:
no the boss isnt in today and there not much work
Robi D says:
so we can continue
admiral kutzov says:
cool
Tubby Rower says:
Let me scroll down the list of the techs we have acquired
Tubby Rower says:
BW, IW, Alpha, Pottery, WC, CB, Myst
Tubby Rower says:
Writing will be done in ~3 or 4 turns
Robi D says:
ok, we have BW, Alpha, Pottery, Writing, Philo, CoL and wheel in 2 turns
Robi D says:
I would have to check with everyone of course but i think they would be happy with a CoL for WC+IW swap if you guys are
Tubby Rower says:
we are looking to become a great republic, so the Philo and CoL would be interesting to obtain
Tubby Rower says:
Have you guys had any other contacts?
Robi D says:
well we can do a deal with philo as well
Robi D says:
yes, what about you guys
Tubby Rower says:
yes
Tubby Rower says:
I presume that you have 2 other contacts?
Robi D says:
i'm cant say exactly, but you may presume
Tubby Rower says:
Why can't you say exactly? is there something that we are missing?
admiral kutzov says:
r, can we bring mistfit in?
Robi D says:
thats sensitive government information which im not at liberty to say, but i think you guys would have a fair idea of the map so i think you can work out that we have met others
Robi D says:
you sure

Mistfit has been added to the conversation.

Tubby Rower says:
That's fine.
Tubby Rower says:
This is Mistfit, our artist extraordinaire
Mistfit says:
Hello
Robi D says:
hi misfit
admiral kutzov says:
dont forget the t
Tubby Rower says:
the middle 't'
Tubby Rower says:
so IW & WC for CoL
Mistfit says:
Don't worry about it... I don't
Tubby Rower says:
What for Philo?
Robi D says:
ok, just to throw it out there, philo for CB + myst
Mistfit says:
Robi what is your nick on CFC?
Robi D says:
its Robi D
Mistfit says:
hmm not seen you around... I don't get out much
Mistfit says:
how long have you been at CFC?
Robi D says:
oh about 6 months i think
Tubby Rower says:
I guess it is proposed that this deal will go down once we obtain Writing?
Mistfit says:
cool
Robi D says:
yes, once you have writing if your happy to we can do a CoL + Philo for IW + WC + CB + Myst
Tubby Rower says:
Do you need to take it back to your team?
Robi D says:
i eould of course have to check with everyone, but since the swap is equal in research time i think they will agree
Tubby Rower says:
OK.
Robi D says:
are you guys happy with that deal
Tubby Rower says:
It will be a couple of turns yet before it can be execute
Tubby Rower says:
*executed
Tubby Rower says:
yes it seems fair
Robi D says:
thats ok, we have a couple of turns b4 wheel finished
Tubby Rower says:
Do you guys have a research plan after this deal is done?
Mistfit says:
I'm happy... but that could be due to liquid encouragement
Robi D says:
well if you guys except the deal, we would go for HB riding
Robi D says:
do you guys need to take this back to your team
admiral kutzov says:
no we're anarchists with almost equal power
admiral kutzov says:
we can do this deal now
Mistfit says:
Maybe he thinks before he types
Robi D says:
ok, lol, well i would be 99% certain doughnut will be happy, but i still have to check, if you want i can agree in principle now, and send you a formal agreement in a day or so when everyones had there say
admiral kutzov says:
sounds like a plan
Robi D says:
ok, i would shake your hands but its a bit difficult being 9000kms away
admiral kutzov says:
R, which vintage of OZ brew shall we hoist to your good health?
Mistfit says:
You are from Australia?
Robi D says:
coopers, it the best by far
Robi D says:
yes i am
Mistfit says:
Do you know of a drink called "Crippled Cock" ?
Robi D says:
fosters it crap
admiral kutzov says:
before u go, a question?
Robi D says:
sure
admiral kutzov says:
u at war with the evil empire, tnt?
Robi D says:
yes, we had the displeasure of running into them
admiral kutzov says:
provo almost got me banned
Mistfit says:
He has that effect on many
Robi D says:
yeah i saw all the posts
admiral kutzov says:
good
Mistfit says:
what was the outcome? were blows traded?
Robi D says:
well we met, we discussed trades, they they attacked us, i got the feeling it was because of the whole renaming issue, that they got pissed off
Robi D says:
not that we accussed them of anything
admiral kutzov says:
stupid of the to start a war
admiral kutzov says:
of them
Mistfit says:
I'm glad someone took them down a notch
Robi D says:
well, it should be interesting, since we met in the middle of nowhere who is going to get the upper hand
Mistfit says:
We in the future would be interested in helping with that
Mistfit says:
We are not big fans of TNT
Robi D says:
we will keep that in mind
admiral kutzov says:
idiots do war very well. we have bugs. see M7+1
Tubby Rower says:
and Bede
Robi D says:
thats because they have an understanding of the logic
Mistfit says:
Not a sstrong suit of TNT
Mistfit says:
*strong
admiral kutzov says:
lmao
Mistfit says:
I stutter sometimes when I've been
Tubby Rower says:
Well gentlemen, I have to go snuggle with the little women
Tubby Rower says:
Have a pleasant day at work Robi.
Mistfit says:
women? or woman?
Tubby Rower says:
Night fellers
Robi D says:
no probs, thanks for your time
Tubby Rower says:
WEll there is a little baby growing
admiral kutzov says:
again, I thought u would have figured that out by now
Tubby Rower says:
it could be a girl
Robi D says:
we will get back to you soon
Mistfit says:
Look us up anytime
Robi D says:
good night
Mistfit says:
we are frequently here
Robi D says:
no worries
Mistfit says:
cya

Mistfit has left the conversation.

admiral kutzov says:
adios

admiral kutzov has left the conversation.



EDIT:::please let us know if this is ok.... We have ~ 3-4 turns to get it straight
 
Wow! It sounds like they're more than willing to cooperate. My question is how this will affect our arrangements with MIA. Since they gave us Myst, which is part of our deal the Dnuts, we'll probably need to share the wealth.

I'm also curious as to why MIA said Dnuts were so aloof, because I sure didn't sense any of that sort of attitude in the above conversation.
 
Bravo AK, Mistfit and Tubs! Job well done.

This get us exactly where we need to go. MIA should give us wheel (and masonry is already part of the deal) for this transaction considering we pulled CoL out of the mix. If not more. In fact this may create an opportunity for us to run at republic (less than max for the cash upgrades of GS! :evil: )We should have them start on Map making and ?maths? or ?currency?

I think the issue with MIA is they don't have someone like Fe on all their dealings. This was a perfect case and point where our guys built rapport and turned into a deal. Simple is as simple does.
 
Job well done guys, but I don't see the 2fer possibility in here. I thought there was some consensus about that, that we should be "up" on the deal. Good thing about giving Myst is they might be lured towards Monarchy (as Whomp suggested we should do with TNT). I don't wanna be a killjoy but I just don't see how we by this deal are taking full advantage of the situation. Enlighten me...
What also fules my hesitation is that Robin said he was sure the Nuts would accept such a deal before even asking of their opinion. In my book of trades that spells "a very profitable deal for them". Their first suggestion, CoL for IW+WC, seems better to me. WC we got for free and IW is not that expensive these days. If we get CoL for that we can work on Philo and MM together with MIA and then we can do Republic. I think we will, by far, be the first ones to change gov. even if we do it this way because Nuts will surely go for HBR first and they will go slow. In the mean time they will instantly have Archers and Swords to put up against TNT.

Edit: Not much of a 2fer i agree, but if we choose not to deal with TNT at all, those possibilities are maybe gone out the window anyway, at least "within" one deal. If it's possible to do xfers via MIA i can't say becuse then it gets way to complicated for this Idiot.
 
TNT haven't responded at ALL. According to Robi, they met in the middle of no where and TNT attacked.

The reason why this is so profitable to them is because they've only had to research Philo yet they get CoL for free. So in there book they are getting 5 techs out of Philo. In our book we never really had a chance to get to Phio 1st and therefore no sling for us. so we are coming out ahead in the beaker costs.

So I think that the deal is pretty fair on both sides. It's not set in stone and can be changed if it's not satisfactory. That being said. I think that this is a prime opportunity for us to go Republic which is why I wanted to get them to throw in Philo.

:hatsoff: to AK & Mist for telling me when to shut up :thumbsup:
 
We will get republic either way of course and one way, the full deal, is a bit faster. I would prefer the somewhat slower path and I'll try to give solid reasons for it. My :devil: plan is as follows:
1. We agree with MIA that they buddy TNT and we buddy Nuts.
2. MIA tries to set TNT on the Monarchy path by offering CB+Myst for whatever they can get. MIA starts mapmaking.
3. We supply Nuts with IW and WC for CoL. We start Philosophy-->Rep.
4. When the war is over Nuts will prolly not have rep. yet (hopefully) and will be very eager to trade for that (monopoly?) tech.

This would mean we support Nuts fight vs. the evil empire, they still have to do a lot of research when at war keeping them from getting rep. faster than us, we get the chanse to sell rep. quite profitable, we will be first in republic for some turns and with MM we can secure territory for military purpouses.

Side note: I think you did a terrific job in building a good relation to Nuts!
 
Dagnation said:
Side note: I think you did a terrific job in building a good relation to Nuts!
AK did all of the repor stuff. I just wanted to deal quick and dirty, but AK & Mist could talk a dog into meowing.
 
I think we will end up getting wheel out of this deal from MIA since they don't need to research CoL (or philo) any longer. It is worth asking them if they would be willing to give up wheel and start on Map making and another tech. In the meantime Donut gets to fight the fight and activate their and TNT's despotic GA. We could easily be out of the AA before we finish republic.
 
So is the big package deal a go? Since we have Writing, we can send D'nut the techs this turn. And hopefully they'll send them back with an accept.

We need to confirm with them, but I wanted a couple of 'Ayes' from the crowd that wasn't part of the negotiations. I'll write up a formal proposal and post it here in ~ 5-10 minutes.

btw, Whomp :( sorry to see the Sox lose.... I don't really like the Angels. But as long as whoever wins kicks St' Louis's butt I really don't care. The cards are getting a little cocky.
 
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