Diplomacy Log: UniversCiv

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This thread is for archiving incoming and outgoing diplomatic messages between our team and UniversCiv.

Please do not post in this thread unless you are the Ambassador to UniversCiv.

Use this thread for discussing the foreign policy and messages that concerns UniversCiv.

The current Ambassador to UniversCiv is: talonschild
 
Message sent 10.30.12 at 2:51 GMT:

Salut UniversCiv,

Aimerez-vous un curry végétarien?

Notre guerrier Thunderfall, seul depuis des siècles, a trouvé finalement un autre homme civilisé dans les sauvages. Encore mieux, il est un guerrier de la légendaire empire saint-romain! Le messager vient d'arriver en Indira avec les nouvelles et les célébrations sont déjà commencés.

Les CivFanatics sont un peuple paisible, ainsi nous avons choisi Mansa Musa de l'Inde. Nous offrons alors une pacte de non-agression pour cinquante tours. On espère que ce serait le début d'une amitié longe.

Cordialement,
Ambassadeur Bowsling
Équipe CivFanatics

Translated as:

Hey UniversCiv,

Would you like a vegetarian curry?

Our warrior Thunderfall, lonely for centuries, has finally found another civilized man in the wilderness. Even better, he is a warrior of the legendary Holy Roman Empire! The messenger has just arrived in Indira, and the celebrations have already started.

The CivFanatics are a peaceful people, thus why we chose Mansa Musa of India. We propose therefore a non aggression pact for fifty turns. We hope this will be the beginning of a long friendship.

Sincerely,
Ambassador Bowsling
Team CivFanatics
 
Message received 11.2.12 at 19:56 GMT:

From universciv
To civfanatics

Nice to meet you, Kankan from Indians
We would like to make a semantic correction: we are noth the Holy Roman Empire but the Gauls .
We'd love to eat a vegetarian curry with you
We are delighted to learn that there are men who do not think always to fight. After consultation with the village council we have requirements regarding the signing of the treaty. If you want a treaty of non-aggression you may follow some clauses listed below:

not come too close from our borders
inform us about the approximate distance between our civs and your geographic location
inform us about the known existence of others civilizations on our continent


If you share these informations with us, we will be sure that your intentions are really pacific.

We would like to underline another point: for now we consider that a treaty of 20 rounds is enough. Of course, this treaty would be renewable depending on changing circumstances. It goes without saying that if we encounter another civ we will keep you informed.

Last point, we advise you to be careful because there are not a lot of forests in the north and you have to protect your warriors from barbarians.

Hoping for future collaborative agreements, we send our greetings

M & Ms great ambassador of the Gauls
 
Message sent 11.5.12 at 00:45 GMT:

Salut UniversCiv,

Merci pour votre réponse rapide ! Nous aimons les équipes qui sont rapide avec leur diplomatie.

Pardonnez-nous pour notre erreur avec les sémantiques : on sait maintenant que le guerrier Thunderfall a bu trop de vin gaulois ce soir. Avec cette erreur corrigée, les bandes dessinées Astérix le saint-romain sont enlevés des étagères et sont remplacés avec Astérix le gaulois. Les enfants d'Indira aiment plus cette version.

Thunderfall a voyagé pendant longtemps avant qu'il est arrivé aux frontières de l'empire gaulois. Il a trouvé d'autres civilisations : les égyptiens de Realms Beyond, les amérindiens de WePlayCiv et les zolous de l'Apolyton espagnol.

Nous sommes au sud-ouest de vous. Il y a environ quinze caisses entre nos frontières. Vous êtes proches aussie à les zolous et les amérindiens.

Merci pour votre avertissement au propos des barbares.

Cordialement,
Ambassadeur Bowsling
Équipe CivFanatics
Hey UniversCiv,

Thanks for your quick reply! We really appreciate it when teams are quick with their diplomacy.

Forgive us for our naming mistake: we now know that the warrior Thunderfall drank too much Gaulish wine that night. With this mistake corrected, Asterix the Holy Roman has been pulled from the shelves and replaced with Asterix the Gaul. The children of Indira seem to like this version better.

Thunderfall travelled for a long time before he reached the borders of the Gauls. He met many other civilizations: the Egyptians of Realms Beyond, the Native Americans of WePlayCiv, and the Zulus of Spanish Apolyton.

We are south-west of you. There are about fifteen tiles between our borders. You are near the Zulus and the Native Americans.

Thank you for your warning about barbarians.

Sincerely,
Ambassador Bowsling
Team CivFanatics
 
Message received 11.7.12 at 20:28 GMT:

Aux peuple d'Inde,
Après avoir visité vos merveilleuses contrées, un des membres de notre délégation a même écrit nos mésaventures

Nous serions enchantés de signer un pacte de non-agression de 30 tours si vous le desirez toujours. Vos renseignements étaient à nos yeux très importants et nous comprenons mieux votre precipitation à signer un accord de paix (nous nous doutons qu'amérindiens et zoulous n'ont pas pické leur leader pour être en paix). L'idéal serait ques les deux civs agressives se battent entre elles car malheureusement nous ne disposons pas de la potion magique !
Il faudra, après avoir exploré le continent il serait bon de définir une frontière entre nos deux peuples afin de créer une paix durable.
M&Ms ambassadeurs des Gaules

To the people of India,
After visiting your marvellous lands, one of the members of our delegation has even written our misadventures
(picture)
We would be delighted to sign a 30-turn if you still want. Your information was very important to us and now we better understand your hurry to sign a peace treaty (we doubt the Native Americans and Zulus picked their leader so as to be at peace). The ideal situation would be if the two Aggressive civs fought it out, because unfortunately we are not in possession of any magic potions!
It will be necessary, after exploring the continent it would be good to set down a border between our two peoples in order to create a lasting peace.
M&Ms, Ambassadors of the Gauls
 

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Message sent 11.14.12 at 23:49 GMT:
Salut UniversCiv,

Excusez-nous cette temps longue à répondre, il semble que notre conseil diplomatique a découvert le vin fameux gaulois!

Nous acceptons votre offre d'une pacte de non-agression de 30 tours.

Nous sommes d'accords qu'il faut tracer une limite entre nous. La chaîne de montagnes sud de votre nouvelle ville est environ à mi-chemin entre nos capitales. Si vous ne coloniseriez pas au sud des montagnes, nous ne coloniserez pas au nord. Toutefois, il semble qu'Apolyton espagnol colonisera cette région avant nous, qui nous refusera une frontière commune. Bien sûr, dans un scénario où l'Apolyton espagnol ne colonise pas cette région, nous resterons de notre côté des montagnes.

Cordialement,
Ambassadeur Bowsling
Équipe CivFanatics
Hey UniversCiv,

Apologies for the long response time, it seems that our diplomatic council has discovered the famed Gaulish wine!

We will gladly accept your offer of a thirty-turn non-aggression pact!

We agree that it would be good to establish a border between us. The mountain range south of your newest city is about halfway between our capitals. If you agree not to settle south of the mountains, we won't settle north of them. However, it seems like Spanish Apolyton will settle that area before us, which will deny our teams a mutual border. Of course, in a scenario where Spanish Apolyton does not settle the area, we will stay on our side of the mountains.

Sincerely,
Ambassador Bowsling
Team CivFanatics
 
Message sent to UCiv 27.11.2012

Salut Gaul,

Vous avez mentionné revisiter le question quand notre entente courant expire (en 24 tours, si je suis correct). Cette entente était que nous ne marcherions trop proche aux frontières de l'autres, et que nous informerions les uns les autres des autres équipes que nous rencontrent. Nous voyons votre guerrier qui explore notre frontière nord. Est-ce que notre entente continue toujours, ou serait-il mieux de renégocier maintenant?

Nous comprennons votre désir de ne pas déclarer une frontière avant que vous avez complètement exploré et nous attendent établir une frontière permanente avec vous quand vous serez prêts, mais jusqu'alors nous nous considerions libres à coloniser où nous voulons.

En attente de votre réponse,
Equipe Civfanatics

In English

Greetings Gaul,

You mention revisiting the issue when our current deal expires (in 26 turns I think). We understood that deal to mean that we would not move too close to each other’s borders and that we would notify each other about the other teams we meet. We notice your warrior exploring along our northern border. Is our deal still in effect or should we renegotiate now.

We understand your desire not to declare a border until you have explored thoroughly and we look forward to establishing a peaceful border with you when you are ready but until then we will consider ourselves free to settle where we wish.

Awaiting your reply,
Team Civfanatics
 
Discarded Draft

Greetings again Gaul,

We have not received a response to our message that we sent to you on the 27. november. Since then, you have once again moved your scouting warrior within 1 tile of our cultural borders. We consider your moves to be in violation of the treaty we initially agreed to when we established the terms for our current NAP with you, as the treaty stated that we should not move within 1 tile of your cultural borders (which we consider a mutual term).

We are willing to renegotiate the treaty, but we need to to know that we can trust you to honor your word. We desire a peaceful relationship with your team, and we hope you are willing to enter negotiations with us to establish a treaty that both teams are happy with. We are also willing to maintain the current treaty, as long as your team does not break the treaty again. If we renegotiate the treaty, we trust that your team will uphold your end of the treaty, just as we have so far upheld our end of our former treaty.

If we do not hear from you, preferably as soon as possible, we will sadly have to consider our former agreement null and void, with the only exception being the NAP which we will of course honor until it runs out.

Awaiting your reply,
Team Civfanatics
 
Message received from UCiv 30.11.2012

Chers indiens,
Il est vrai que nous vous demandons de ne pas longer nos frontières et qu'il pourrait paraître injuste que nous puissions longer les vôtres et que nous vous interdisions cela !
Cette close avait été mise en place par la peur d'un vol d’ouvrier (worker rob and not worker fly), aujourd'hui ce n'est plus le cas, ce serait suicidaire pour vous et pour nous que nous soyons ennemis face aux nombreux adversaires (hostiles ?)
Aussi nous vous autorisons à longer nos frontières comme vous nous autoriserez de longer les votres
Pour l'instant nous nous engageons à ne pas coloniser les montagnes (essayez de faire de même s'il vous plaît)
En espérant de futures accord fructueux
Ambassadeur M&Ms

Google Translate English

Dear Indians,
It is true that we ask you not to follow our borders and it may seem unfair that we can follow yours and we interdisions it!
This close was set up by the fear of flying worker (worker worker rob and not fly), today this is no longer the case, it would be suicidal for you and for us to be enemies face to many opponents (hostile?)
As we allow you to follow our borders as you authorize us to follow the yours
For now we are committed to not colonize the mountains (try to do the same please)
Hoping future successful agreement
Ambassador M & Ms
 
Message sent to UCiv 4.1.2013

Bonjour, UniversCiv,

Nous voulons nous relier, nous recommencer la conversation. Par suite, nous avons préparé ces commenceurs de conversation:

Premièrement, notre Pacte de non-agression se finit en environ quinze tours, mais le fin exacte est un peu vague, comme c'est the processus the renouvellement. Pouvez nous nous illuminer?

Deuxièmement, nous voulons confirmer que notre accord de colonisation est qu'aucun entre nous colonisera la chaîne de montagnes entre nous. Cela aura probablement besoin de renégocier plus tard, mais ça suffira pour le present.

Nous attendons votre réponse.

talonschild, pour l'Equipe Civfanatics

///

Hi, UniversCiv,

We wanted to reconnect, and to restart conversation. To that end, we've prepared handy conversation starters:

Firstly, our NAP expires in roughly 15 turns, but the exact end date is a little vague - as is the renewal process. Could you shed some light on the matter?

And second, we just wanted to confirm that our settling agreement is that neither of us should settle the mountain range between us. That will probably need renegotiating later, once other settling options are exhausted, but for now this works for us.

We eagerly await your response.

talonschild, for Team Civfanatics
 
I'll fill the messages that were sent/received since the last log.

Lala Civilization

Jan 24

to me
Hi Talonschild,

Sorry for the late response. We just agreed on a working process for our diplomacy.
We are still willing to develop fair relations with CFC and to extend the NAP as well as find a settling agreement. How does all that look like on your side?

Bye
Yuufo

Le 5 janvier 2013 08:07, CivFanatics Team <diplo.civfanatics@gmail.com> a écrit :
 
CivFanatics Team <diplo.civfanatics@gmail.com>

Jan 30

to Lala
Salut, Yuufo/UniversCiv,

Nous avons pour vous un autre proposition: Nous voulons étendre notre Pacte do Non-Agression jusqu'au tour 140, et de codifier notre frontière mutuelle avec une Zone de Non-Colonization:

Entre nos frontières, il y a une formation de montagnes avec la forme:
XX_
X_X
X_X
_X_

Nous proposons qu'aucun entre nous colonisera dans une ligne qui comprend les sections X_X et qui s'étend a l'est de là.


talonschild, pour l'Equipe Civfanatics

English:

Hi, Yuufo/UniversCiv,

We have another proposal for you: We'd like to extend our Non-Aggression Pact to turn 140, and would like to formalize our mutual border with a No-Settling Zone:

Between our borders, there is a mountain formation with the shape:
XX_
X_X
X_X
_X_

We propose that neither of us settle in a line that comprises the X_X sections and extends east from there.

talonschild, for Team Civfanatics
 
Lala Civilization

Jan 30

to me
Hi,
I think I understand your proposal. Maybe we could work on a more precise city planning, so that our border cities are not too close one from another?
And the Zulus have founded a city located 6663 from the marble. Do you have good relations with them? How are they integrated into border definition?

Take care,
Yuufo
 
CivFanatics Team <diplo.civfanatics@gmail.com>

Feb 9

to Lala
Salut Yuufo/UniversCiv

Nous voulons renouveler notre Pacte de Non-Agression (ni nous ni vous déclarera guerre sur l'autre) jusqu'au tour 140 inclusif, et nous voulons finaliser l'accord de frontières qui en va avec. Considérant vos doutes qu'une Zone de Non-Colonisation de 2 cases suffisera, nous proposons l'extension le Zone d'une case au nord pour vous et d'une case au sud pour nous. Cela garantira que nos croix de ville ne se chevaucheraient pas.

Donc, aucun entre nous colonisera dans ou est de la formation des montagnes:
XX_
X_X
X_X
_X_

Si vous êtes d'accord avec la Pacte et le Zone, s.v.p. confirmer

Talonschild, pour l"Equipe Civfanatics


Hi, Yuufo/UniversCiv,

We would like to renew our Non-Aggression Pact (no one will declare war to the other side) until turn 140 including and we would like to finalize the border agreement that goes with it. Taking in consideration your doubts that 2 tiles No-Settling-Zone might not be enough, we are proposing extending the No-Settling-Zone one tile north for Uciv and one tile south for CFC. This will ensure our city crosses wouldn't overlap in any case.

Thus, neither Uciv nor CFC will settle west of the mountain formation:
XX_
X_X
X_X
_X_

If you agree with the NAP and the border agreement that goes with it, please confirm.

Talonschild for Team Civfanatics
 
Lala Civilization

Feb 11

to me
Hi Talonschild,

Just a few words to tell you we are still processing your message. We don't forget you :)

Bye
 
CivFanatics Team <diplo.civfanatics@gmail.com>

Feb 27 (3 days ago)

to Lala
We want to remind you we have a diplomatic agreement to finalize.
Talonschild
 
CivFanatics Team <diplo.civfanatics@gmail.com>

11:16 PM (16 hours ago)

to Lala
Bonjour, Team Uciv,

We would be very glad to finalize our NAP with you. Is there anything that is preventing you from signing our NAP? If you think sweetening the deal would make you look more favorably and finalize our NAP quicker (like a Fast Worker, a missionary or two so you can benefit from having a state religion, settler to settle city of yours or... pretty much anything else is negotiable), we will be glad to discuss the matter as we are looking forward to mutually beneficial cooperation.

Talonschild, Team CFC
 
Lala Civilization

12:57 PM (2 hours ago)

to me
Hi Talonschild,

First of all, sorry for answering once again late :(

We have no hostile intentions towards your nation and are willing to accept a NAP. The only thing that bothers us is the Ivory resource that lies between the mountains. Since we have a city 998 from it, forbidding settling in the horizontal range you suggest would make it impossible for us to connect this Ivory.
How could we find an arrangement?

Bye
Yuufo
 
Message sent 03.03.2013
Bonjour Team UCiv,

We will send you a more detailed message soon, but we just want to confirm that we agree that we will not have any objections to your team connecting the Ivory by settling in the previously suggested non-settling area. We will come back to you with very soon with some suggestions for where you can settle a city to minimize any interference with our future settling plans.

With that settled, we consider a NAP in effect between our teams as of this turn (Turn 108) until T140.

Caledorn, Foreign minister Team CFC on behalf of Ambassador Talonschild
 
Sent:

CivFanatics Team <diplo.civfanatics@gmail.com> (sent by dimo.neykov@gmail.com)

8:57 PM (0 minutes ago)

to Lala
Hi, Yuufo/UniversCiv,

As promised, here is our Non-Aggression Pact and Settling agreement:

Neither of us will declare war on the other until After turn 140. UCiv gets to settle to claim the Elephant and CFC gets to settle to claim the Marble.

As for the details of where to settle, taking in consideration your desire to have a city to claim the Elephants and our desire to settle a city to claim our Marble south of the mountains, we are proposing you possible solution where you can have the Elephants in a city BFC and we to settle our city to claim our Marble without those two cities to interfere with each-other. M=Mountain, e=Elephant, and U=Uciv City.

MMxxx
MeMUx
MxMxx
xMxxx

Please confirm that you agree with the settling agreement and the NAP.


Talonschild on behalf of Team CFC
 
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