I did not follow well all this discussion but some things look strange: Kuche approved Eagle's gift of Techs to anarchos, (or even participated within) but let them bound with agreement to to give us any techs. Why? At the same time they decided to support us and, probably, anachos calculated it somehow (or Kuche even tell them). This explain why Anarhos not want them in their water. Anyway be careful with information that you give to Kuche, they may turn around again... Try to find out will Anarhos get Feudalism and Chivalry straight away? Will Eagles (or even Kuche) trade them Iron? We have chances to pillage Iron, but can't block trade, unless DoW to Eagles. Situation from hopeless become difficult, but at some scenarios it may be hopeless again. Barracks in Camelot was a mistake. It will take too long to get 30 spt, 5 horses do not deserve all this trouble. Or, may be we can build TGL in another City?