I was willing to "swallow" the Anarcho's insults, because I wanted to "use" them as an ally for our purpose. But I don't need to "swallow" insults from a team mate. Perhaps sometimes you don't realize when you say something that makes other people upset?! (I noticed the same in the Asterix game, where some of your harsh comments towards splunge_the_2nd were "borderline"... I knew you didn't mean them that way and were only trying to teach him something, and fortunately splunge took them the same way and wasn't offended, but in an international forum with people you don't know, I would be more careful. It sounded like you were treating splunge like a "kleines Dummerchen", while in fact he is not stupid: he is only playing not as good as we are, because of lack of experience and lack of knowledge, but he was learning fast and made good improvements in the course of that training game. No reason to treat him like an idiot...) So anyway, I considered this as an insult: This will never happen. justanick knows perfectly well, that if we get eliminated, then Küche will have absolutely no chance against the Eagles. So he will keep the alliance until the Eagles are eliminated and then hopes to be stronger than us in the endgame. Similarly the Eagles view the Küche as the more dangerous threat, because we have already "wasted" our GA, while the Küche can still have it at a decisive point. This is completely true. Ivan, if we want to win that game, we still need a strong ally. Don't push justanick away by beginning to "play tricks" and holding back or appearing "dishonest". The Küche helped us with all they got, when we were nearly dying, don't forget that. If they would have kept the 3-way alliance against us going, we would now be dead instead of the Anarchos... (BTW, templar: of course I know why they helped us. a) the know perfectly well, that they need an ally in order to survive the overwhelming strength of the Eagles and b) they liked us more than the Anarchos... and c) I tried my best to do an open and honest diplomacy with them and regain the lost trust.) So anyway: how much gold did you send them last turn? How much can you send this turn? At least for the next turns we must make a very strong impression and be a reliable ally!! Don't forget we still want Metallurgy and MT... (And besides, I think it is in our best interest to cooperate with them as good as we can, until the Eagles are eliminated. I think I don't need to remind you that the Eagles have 6 fully developed size-12 cities in Golden Age! It will be a very tough fight, even if we cooperate perfectly with the Küche... ) I will now update our Konto thread and check justanick's calculation. What do you mean by this?