Diplomatic Victory Elimination Thread

[KnightModern]

3. Catherine/France [24]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [28]
10. Dido/Phoenicia [22]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [25]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [15]
15. Gorgo/Greece [24]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [9]
20. John Curtain/Australia [23]
21. Kristina/Sweden [37]
22. Kupe/Maori [27]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [29]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [33]
30. Pericles/Greece [32]
31. Peter/Russia [16]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [22]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [23]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [10]
36. Saladin/Arabia [9]
37. Seondeok/Korea [4] (7 - 3) obviously korean bonus is all about science & a little bit of culture, and I don't think science give you diplomatic point, so.....
40. Tamar/Georgia [32]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [33] (32 + 1) additional diplomatic points is a great bonus, and since you have many wildcard policy slots, just fill it with diplomatic bonus
43. Trajan/Rome [7]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [21]

 

[Weraptor]

3. Catherine/France [24]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [28]
10. Dido/Phoenicia [22]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [22] (25-3) Too high of a score for such a warmonger.
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [15]
15. Gorgo/Greece [24]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [9]
20. John Curtain/Australia [23]
21. Kristina/Sweden [37]
22. Kupe/Maori [27]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [29]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [33]
30. Pericles/Greece [32]
31. Peter/Russia [16]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [22]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [23]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [10]
36. Saladin/Arabia [9]
37. Seondeok/Korea [5] (4+1) Science does give you a DP at Seasteds + earlier access to a wonder.
40. Tamar/Georgia [32]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [33]
43. Trajan/Rome [7]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [21]

 

[lotrmith]

3. Catherine/France [24]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [28]
10. Dido/Phoenicia [22]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [22]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [15]
15. Gorgo/Greece [24]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [9]
20. John Curtain/Australia [23]
21. Kristina/Sweden [37]
22. Kupe/Maori [27]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [29]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [33]
30. Pericles/Greece [33] 32 + 1 Envoys are probably the surest way to DF which is still the surest way to DV.
31. Peter/Russia [16]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [22]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [23]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [10]
36. Saladin/Arabia [9]
37. Seondeok/Korea [2] 5 - 3 Getting access to certain wonders does allow for exclusive points, but Seasteads are non-exclusive. Everyone gets the points for that, eventually.
40. Tamar/Georgia [32]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [33]
43. Trajan/Rome [7]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [21]

 

[Kwami]

3. Catherine/France [24]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [28]
10. Dido/Phoenicia [22]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [22]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [15]
15. Gorgo/Greece [24]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [9]
20. John Curtain/Australia [20] (23 - 3) Why John Curtain? He brings nothing special to the Diplomatic Victory game.
21. Kristina/Sweden [37]
22. Kupe/Maori [27]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [29]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [33]
30. Pericles/Greece [33]
31. Peter/Russia [16]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [22]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [23]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [10]
36. Saladin/Arabia [9]
37. Seondeok/Korea [3] (2 + 1) But Korea gets to that wonder first and gets the Seastead point first. Isn't the whole point to win before everyone else does? Why are we voting down otherwise powerful civs instead of the mediocre ones?
40. Tamar/Georgia [32]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [33]
43. Trajan/Rome [7]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [21]

I guess I just don't understand this thread. A quick Diplomatic Victory requires good Science and good Culture and a religion and lots of Diplomatic Favor. (Or killing everyone like Lily does, but I'm ignoring that option for now.) So, why are we down voting civs that have really good bonuses to one or more of these things?

 

[Kmart_Elvis]

3. Catherine/France [24]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [28]
10. Dido/Phoenicia [22]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [22]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [15]
15. Gorgo/Greece [24]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [9]
20. John Curtain/Australia [17] (20 - 3) Seems to be ranked way to high.
21. Kristina/Sweden [37]
22. Kupe/Maori [27]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [29]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [33]
30. Pericles/Greece [33]
31. Peter/Russia [16]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [22]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [23]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [10]
36. Saladin/Arabia [9]
37. Seondeok/Korea [3]
40. Tamar/Georgia [32]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [33]
43. Trajan/Rome [8] (7+1) I've actually won my first diplomatic victory game with them and they're not terrible. Sure they can't compete with the likes of Sweden, America, Georgia, etc., but I found Rome's fast culture, good gold generation, and being a great generalist civ to be helpful. I think they should stick around just a little bit longer.
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [21]

 

[bengalryan9]

3. Catherine/France [24]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [28]
10. Dido/Phoenicia [22]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [23] (22+1) I'll throw Gilgamesh a point because he is encouraged to form alliances which will then level up faster, and that leads to more diplomatic favor for him. He also generally techs very well and is more than capable of eliminating foes (especially very early when grievances matter the least) if you want to cheese a diplomatic victory.
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [15]
15. Gorgo/Greece [24]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [9]
20. John Curtain/Australia [17] I assume he's sticking around because he benefits a ton from liberating city states, which would make you suzerain and bring favor.
21. Kristina/Sweden [37]
22. Kupe/Maori [27]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [29]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [33]
30. Pericles/Greece [33]
31. Peter/Russia [13] (16-3) Outside of founding an early religion, I'm not really sure what advantage he has here. He's also likely to be drowning in GWAMs, so he's likely to get to a culture win before diplomatic.
33. Poundmaker/Cree [22] Odd that Poundmaker's agenda is all about alliances but he doesn't get any bonuses to them, now that I think about it.
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [23]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [10]
36. Saladin/Arabia [9]
37. Seondeok/Korea [3] I haven't voted her down... but in the end teching really fast only gives you 1 DV point with a *chance* at another if you have the terrain and production to build the wonder.
40. Tamar/Georgia [32]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [33]
43. Trajan/Rome [8]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [21]

 

[Archon_Wing]

3. Catherine/France [24]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [28]
10. Dido/Phoenicia [19] 22-3 Yes, exploration and economy is good. But I don't think it's good as say, Japan or even England, who have more well rounded economy. Also the AI becomes very hesitant at selling favor once you start getting those diplo points, so gold becomes greatly devalued at the end. It is good for aid I admit, but there are many better choices here.
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [23]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [15]
15. Gorgo/Greece [24]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [9]
20. John Curtain/Australia [17]
21. Kristina/Sweden [37]
22. Kupe/Maori [27]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [29]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [33]
30. Pericles/Greece [33]
31. Peter/Russia [13]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [22]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [23]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [11]= 10+1 Production is king. production is God. Regardless of Victory Condition
36. Saladin/Arabia [9]
37. Seondeok/Korea [3]
40. Tamar/Georgia [32]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [33]
43. Trajan/Rome [8]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [21]

there's also a competition that directly rewards favor generation as well so I it's not like Canada doesn't excel at a particular competition either.

That competition is only available if Sweden is 1.) here 2.) is alive. It is in no way equal to the others.

but most of the DV wonders are in the Civics tree and require culture, which Scotland may struggle to produce if they're building industrial zones instead of theater squares.

Theater Squares do not help with Mahabodhi Temple. The civic comes literally 1 after the one that unlocks Drama and Poetry. And at this point in the game neither Scotland or Canada has any bonus to culture or religion. Scotland still builds it faster. It's only fair to assume all civs are actaully trying to win a diplomatic victory here because otherwise nobody will win one. Early culture is made from monuments and Pingala. Those do not require an exclusively culture strategy.

You might have a point for the Statue of Liberty, which does take substantial culture to reach, but I think it's generally a mistake to neglect culture in any victory condition. I am also certain that a GE or two (which Scotland gets) will make up the difference.

I'm not making this up either. Here's a game I did on Immortal for that diplo victory.



I did not recruit a writer until AFTER 1000 AD (at least to my memory). In fact I banned Great Writers to prevent Greece from getting them and he had like triple my culture for most of the game. In a more standard game on this difficulty, it takes very little investment to beat the AI at culture and an all out culture approach is not always needed. It's quite nice to be able to build the SoL in a few turns even if Pericles was way ahead in the civics tree.

Also note the competition I just won. It would have been lost as Pingala was assassinated, but then I bought power plants (lol) to boost me GE points.

The production was also extremely useful in completing an Aid Emergency. This all got me 19 points, meaning I just had to drop all my favor in one resolution and it didn't matter what happened with the rest.

If favor doesn't matter, why isn't Sweden, America, Hungary, or Greece getting downvoted? Why just Canada? Hmmm...

I didn't say favor doesn't matter. I said it's overvalued.

I mean all these civs have many other things going for them. I guess America is the most dubious choice here, because outside of violent diplomatic victory, they're probably not as good as the others (still good but overrated). People can vote or downvote for any reason. If I posted a game with spreadsheets detailing what happens, it would be counted the same as someone that didn't like Teddy's face.


And considering many people see religion as a negative when it really isn't (nobody forces you to spread your religion to other civs, and even if they did, it only impacts other religion founders), I really don't know or really care.

 

[leandrombraz]

3. Catherine/France [24]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [28]
10. Dido/Phoenicia [19]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [23]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [15]
15. Gorgo/Greece [24]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [9]
20. John Curtain/Australia [17]
21. Kristina/Sweden [37]
22. Kupe/Maori [27]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [29]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [33]
30. Pericles/Greece [33]
31. Peter/Russia [13]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [22]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [23]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [8] (11-3)
36. Saladin/Arabia [9]
37. Seondeok/Korea [3]
40. Tamar/Georgia [32]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [34] (33+1)
43. Trajan/Rome [8]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [21]
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Science is good but culture is better. Both are important but culture will lead you to better governments, policies that help with envoys (Containment), give you a ridiculous boost of science with the ISA and culture with Collective Activism, favors from the Carbon recapture project and from repeating future civic at the end of the tree. Personally I think all Civs in this list are at least decent in Diplomatic, but I tend to favor jack of all trades Civs and cultural Civs over scientific, With Civs that get favors or envoys on the top. Edit: I'm conflicted about Civs like Arabia and Russia, reason why I still didn't downvote them. They are both strong Civs and having an easier time getting that religion is an advantage that I don't want to downplay.

 

[Dotsworthy]

3. Catherine/France [21] 24-3. Nothing stands out as being particularly useful towards a DV. Mahabodi Temple is not vital and the two other wonders can be nabbed easy enough without the additional wonder bonus.
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [28]
10. Dido/Phoenicia [19]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [23]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [15]
15. Gorgo/Greece [24]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [9]
20. John Curtain/Australia [17]
21. Kristina/Sweden [37]
22. Kupe/Maori [27]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [29]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [34] 33+1. Just completed a diplo victory with Hungary. Levying units was effective in liberating two city states at hard to reach places in the map, especially with the added envoys. It really keeps the flow of DF going. I agree with Archon that production has not been factored into these victories, empires with lots of production steamroller other civs on aid request or training athletes as well as helping with carbon recapture in the late game. With Matthias I was running a -4 carbon penalty to my DF but barely made a dent out of my 10 city states & országház. I also find that using your DF to win as many votes as possible rather than saving it for the diplo victory resolution is the best way to get a quicker victory. Hungary is great at maintaining as many city states as possible for as long as possible.
30. Pericles/Greece [33]
31. Peter/Russia [13]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [22]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [23]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [8]
36. Saladin/Arabia [9]
37. Seondeok/Korea [3]
40. Tamar/Georgia [32]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [34]
43. Trajan/Rome [8]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [21]

 

[kryat]

3. Catherine/France [21]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [28]
10. Dido/Phoenicia [19]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [23]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [12] (15-3) Not too much helpful here. Guaranteed choice of pantheon, yes, but that helps nothing in this regard.
15. Gorgo/Greece [24]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [9]
20. John Curtain/Australia [17]
21. Kristina/Sweden [37]
22. Kupe/Maori [27]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [29]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [34]
30. Pericles/Greece [33]
31. Peter/Russia [13]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [22]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [23]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [9] (8+1) I’ll give the Scots a little leg up here. For one, Bannockburn is actually somewhat useful in this context, making him a bit better than a neutral civ. He gets liberation wars a bit earlier, generating fewer grievances, creating earlier opportunities for earning (rather than generating) favor. And of course, he gets more engineers, helping lock down wonders like Potala, Forbidden City, Statue of Liberty, and Orszaghaz.
36. Saladin/Arabia [9]
37. Seondeok/Korea [3]
40. Tamar/Georgia [32]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [34]
43. Trajan/Rome [8]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [21]

 

[Datgingah]

3. Catherine/France [21]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [28]
10. Dido/Phoenicia [19]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [23]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [9] (12-3) Not much that directly helps in any of the ways that would help diplo, except maybe some theater square adjacency bonuses.
15. Gorgo/Greece [24]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [9]
20. John Curtain/Australia [17]
21. Kristina/Sweden [37]
22. Kupe/Maori [27]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [29]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [34]
30. Pericles/Greece [33]
31. Peter/Russia [13]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [23] (22+1) Some nice trade route bonuses and early game scout uu means more likely to get them city state first meets.
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [23]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [9]
36. Saladin/Arabia [9]
37. Seondeok/Korea [3]
40. Tamar/Georgia [32]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [34]
43. Trajan/Rome [8]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [21]

 

[SirMediocrity]

3. Catherine/France [21]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [28]
10. Dido/Phoenicia [19]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [23]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [9]
15. Gorgo/Greece [24]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [9]
20. John Curtain/Australia [17]
21. Kristina/Sweden [37]
22. Kupe/Maori [27]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [29]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [34]
30. Pericles/Greece [34] (33+1) Bonus culture from city-states and free envoys from the Acropolis are some neat diplomatic bonuses.
31. Peter/Russia [13]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [23]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [9]
36. Saladin/Arabia [9]
37. Seondeok/Korea [3]
40. Tamar/Georgia [32]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [34]
43. Trajan/Rome [5] (8-3) Trajan has no practical bonuses. Just gonna put in a downvote now.
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [21]

 

[KnightModern]

3. Catherine/France [21]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [28]
10. Dido/Phoenicia [19]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [23]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [9]
15. Gorgo/Greece [24]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [9]
20. John Curtain/Australia [17]
21. Kristina/Sweden [37]
22. Kupe/Maori [27]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [29]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [34]
30. Pericles/Greece [34]
31. Peter/Russia [13]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [23]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [9]
36. Saladin/Arabia [9]
37. Seondeok/Korea [0 = ELIMINATED] (3-3) IMO if you want to rely on 'early access to wonder' to win DV, get someone like robert the bruces
40. Tamar/Georgia [32]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [34]
43. Trajan/Rome [5]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [22] (21 + 1) unless you neglect tourism, canada is good for DV

 

[Weraptor]

3. Catherine/France [21]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [28]
10. Dido/Phoenicia [19]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [23]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [6] (9-3) Doesn't have much going for a DV.
15. Gorgo/Greece [24]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [9]
20. John Curtain/Australia [17]
21. Kristina/Sweden [37]
22. Kupe/Maori [27]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [29]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [34]
30. Pericles/Greece [35] (34+1) With this one I've actually got a DV faster than a CV. Weird.
31. Peter/Russia [13]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [23]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [9]
36. Saladin/Arabia [9]
40. Tamar/Georgia [32]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [34]
43. Trajan/Rome [5]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [22]

 

[TeddyMain]

3. Catherine/France [21]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [28]
10. Dido/Phoenicia [19]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [23]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [6]
15. Gorgo/Greece [24]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [9]
20. John Curtain/Australia [17]
21. Kristina/Sweden [37]
22. Kupe/Maori [27]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [29]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [34]
30. Pericles/Greece [35]
31. Peter/Russia [10] [13-3] Playing as Peter, you'll most likely win a cultural victory than a diplomatic victory since you'll be literally drowning in Great People, and other than a good basis to get a religion going, has nothing going for a DV.
33. Poundmaker/Cree [23]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [9]
36. Saladin/Arabia [9]
40. Tamar/Georgia [32]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [35] [34+1] 'Merica. Nuff said. Another upvote.
43. Trajan/Rome [5]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [22]

 

[lotrmith]

3. Catherine/France [21]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [28]
10. Dido/Phoenicia [19]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [23]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [6]
15. Gorgo/Greece [24]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [9]
20. John Curtain/Australia [17]
21. Kristina/Sweden [37]
22. Kupe/Maori [27]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [29]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [35] 34 + 1 Another upvote for an envoy king who can also complete cross-map emergencies via levies.
30. Pericles/Greece [35]
31. Peter/Russia [10]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [23]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [9]
36. Saladin/Arabia [9]
40. Tamar/Georgia [32]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [35]
43. Trajan/Rome [2] 5 - 3 Moving right along.
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [22]

 

[leandrombraz]

3. Catherine/France [21]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [28]
10. Dido/Phoenicia [19]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [23]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [3] (6-3) - Good Civ that can do relatively well in any victory, though its strength vary considerably depending on Auckland presence in the game. There's better Civs by now but I wouldn't discard them for a Diplo victory.
15. Gorgo/Greece [24]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [9]
20. John Curtain/Australia [17]
21. Kristina/Sweden [37]
22. Kupe/Maori [27]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [29]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [35]
30. Pericles/Greece [35]
31. Peter/Russia [10]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [23]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [9]
36. Saladin/Arabia [9]
40. Tamar/Georgia [33] (32+1) - Envoys
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [35]
43. Trajan/Rome [2]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [22]

 

[enKage]

3. Catherine/France [21]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [28]
10. Dido/Phoenicia [19]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [23]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [3]
15. Gorgo/Greece [24]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [9]
20. John Curtain/Australia [17]
21. Kristina/Sweden [37]
22. Kupe/Maori [27]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [29]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [35]
30. Pericles/Greece [35]
31. Peter/Russia [10]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [23]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [6] 9-3 Nothing special here in highly overrated civ
36. Saladin/Arabia [9]
40. Tamar/Georgia [33]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [35]
43. Trajan/Rome [3] 2+1 Not a diplo monster, but with early culture boost and slightly higher income from trade than many left here, should not go before Sumeria, Russia, Indonesia, Arabia.... and so on
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [22]

 

[Isengardtom]

3. Catherine/France [21]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [29] (+1) extra Alliance points
10. Dido/Phoenicia [19]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [23]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [0] (3-3) ELIMINATED I don’t think she brings much to the diplo table
15. Gorgo/Greece [24]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [9]
20. John Curtain/Australia [17]
21. Kristina/Sweden [37]
22. Kupe/Maori [27]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [29]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [35]
30. Pericles/Greece [35]
31. Peter/Russia [10]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [23]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [6]
36. Saladin/Arabia [9]
40. Tamar/Georgia [33]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [35]
43. Trajan/Rome [3]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [22]

 

[Timothy001]

3. Catherine/France [21]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [29]
10. Dido/Phoenicia [19]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [23]
15. Gorgo/Greece [24]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [9]
20. John Curtain/Australia [17]
21. Kristina/Sweden [37]
22. Kupe/Maori [27]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [29]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [35]
30. Pericles/Greece [35]
31. Peter/Russia [10]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [23]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [6]
36. Saladin/Arabia [9]
40. Tamar/Georgia [33]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [35]
43. Trajan/Rome [0 ELIMINATED] (3-3) Nothing special for Diplomatic Victory
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [23] (22+1) Can last long enough to reach a DV