Diplomatic Victory Elimination Thread

[Lily_Lancer]

2. Amanitore/Nubia [13=12+1] Among the remainings this one is the best. However many better Civs have been eliminated by those who never achieved a diplomatic victory.
3. Catherine/France [25]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [25]
8. Eleanor/France [22]
10. Dido/Phoenicia [24]
11. Gandhi/India [11]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [24]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [23]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [17]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [20]
19. Jayavarman/Khmer [8]
20. John Curtain/Australia [22]
21. Kristina/Sweden [32]
22. Kupe/Maori [24]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [26]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [11]
29. Pedro/Brazil. [14]
30. Pericles/Greece [30]
31. Peter/Russia [21]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [21]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [21]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [21]
36. Saladin/Arabia [18]
37. Seondeok/Korea [16]
38. Suleiman/Ottomans [16]
40. Tamar/Georgia [29]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [29]
43. Trajan/Rome [18]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [21=24-3]

 

[kryat]

2. Amanitore/Nubia [13]
3. Catherine/France [25]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [25]
8. Eleanor/France [22]
10. Dido/Phoenicia [24]
11. Gandhi/India [11]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [24]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [23]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [17]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [20]
19. Jayavarman/Khmer [8]
20. John Curtain/Australia [22]
21. Kristina/Sweden [32]
22. Kupe/Maori [24]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [26]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [11]
29. Pedro/Brazil. [14]
30. Pericles/Greece [30]
31. Peter/Russia [21]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [21]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [21]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [21]
36. Saladin/Arabia [18]
37. Seondeok/Korea [16]
38. Suleiman/Ottomans [13] (16-3) Most aspects favor domination. While the grand vizier can help tamp down penalties, he’s really better used elsewhere.
40. Tamar/Georgia [29]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [29]
43. Trajan/Rome [18]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [22] (21+3) Sure, you cant efficiently win a dom-driven diplo victory with Canada, but Canada is one of the best for a peaceful diplo victory. Double favor is absolutely nothing to scoff at.

 

[Weraptor]

2. Amanitore/Nubia [13]
3. Catherine/France [22] (25-3) She isn't all that diplomatic.
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [25]
8. Eleanor/France [22]
10. Dido/Phoenicia [24]
11. Gandhi/India [11]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [24]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [23]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [17]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [20]
19. Jayavarman/Khmer [8]
20. John Curtain/Australia [22]
21. Kristina/Sweden [32]
22. Kupe/Maori [24]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [26]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [11]
29. Pedro/Brazil. [14]
30. Pericles/Greece [30]
31. Peter/Russia [21]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [21]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [22] (21+1) I guess that being able to rush Stonehenge and the DP temple wonder is an advantage.
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [21]
36. Saladin/Arabia [18]
37. Seondeok/Korea [16]
38. Suleiman/Ottomans [13]
40. Tamar/Georgia [29]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [29]
43. Trajan/Rome [18]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [22]

 

[Beaver79]

2. Amanitore/Nubia [13]
3. Catherine/France [22]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [25]
8. Eleanor/France [22]
10. Dido/Phoenicia [24]
11. Gandhi/India [11]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [24]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [23]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [17]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [20]
19. Jayavarman/Khmer [8]
20. John Curtain/Australia [22]
21. Kristina/Sweden [32]
22. Kupe/Maori [24]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [26]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [11]
29. Pedro/Brazil. [14]
30. Pericles/Greece [30]
31. Peter/Russia [21]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [21]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [23] (22+1) They can easily get a religion and the temple with minimum effort.
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [21]
36. Saladin/Arabia [18]
37. Seondeok/Korea [16]
38. Suleiman/Ottomans [13]
40. Tamar/Georgia [29]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [29]
43. Trajan/Rome [18]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [19] = 22 - 3 If someone held a gun to my head and said you have to win a deity diplomatic victory I would probably chose a warmonger and eliminate all but one civ. You know which civ I would not take? Canada. For a diplo victory you have to found a religion, make wonders, AND get high up in the culture/science trees. Good luck doing that with a guy with 0 bonuses and a tundra start bias. You can make some diplo favor from aid requests (like an extra 100 diplo favor per), but the military or liberation emergencies just don't happen very often where you can contribute.

 

[Dotsworthy]

2. Amanitore/Nubia [13]
3. Catherine/France [22]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [25]
8. Eleanor/France [19] [22-3]. Eleanor can have a nasty habit of accidentally wiping out sources of diplomatic favour.
10. Dido/Phoenicia [24]
11. Gandhi/India [11]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [24]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [23]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [18] [17+1] Hojo has a unique industrial building and an easy to chain adjacency for industrial zones which can help with the later diplo resolutions.
18. Jadwiga/Poland [20]
19. Jayavarman/Khmer [8]
20. John Curtain/Australia [22]
21. Kristina/Sweden [32]
22. Kupe/Maori [24]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [26]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [11]
29. Pedro/Brazil. [14]
30. Pericles/Greece [30]
31. Peter/Russia [21]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [21]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [23]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [21]
36. Saladin/Arabia [18]
37. Seondeok/Korea [16]
38. Suleiman/Ottomans [13]
40. Tamar/Georgia [29]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [29]
43. Trajan/Rome [18]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [19]

 

[lotrmith]

2.. Amanitore/Nubia [13]
3. Catherine/France [22]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [25]
8. Eleanor/France [19]
10. Dido/Phoenicia [24]
11. Gandhi/India [8] 11 - 3 No especial strength in diplomacy.
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [24]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [23]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [18]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [20]
19. Jayavarman/Khmer [8]
20. John Curtain/Australia [22]
21. Kristina/Sweden [32]
22. Kupe/Maori [24]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [26]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [11]
29. Pedro/Brazil. [14]
30. Pericles/Greece [31] 30 + 1 I'll maintain that envoys > suzerain > DF > swing votes is the surest path to DV.
31. Peter/Russia [21]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [21]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [23]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [21]
36. Saladin/Arabia [18]
37. Seondeok/Korea [16]
38. Suleiman/Ottomans [13]
40. Tamar/Georgia [29]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [29]
43. Trajan/Rome [18]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [19]

Feels like this contest is slowing down instead of speeding up

 

[monstercat]

2. Amanitore/Nubia [13]
3. Catherine/France [22]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [25]
8. Eleanor/France [19]
10. Dido/Phoenicia [24]
11. Gandhi/India [8]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [24]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [23]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [18]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [20]
19. Jayavarman/Khmer [8]
20. John Curtain/Australia [22]
21. Kristina/Sweden [32]
22. Kupe/Maori [24]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [26]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [8] (11 - 3) Has nothing that would help towards Diplo Victory
29. Pedro/Brazil. [14]
30. Pericles/Greece [31]
31. Peter/Russia [21]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [21]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [23]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [21]
36. Saladin/Arabia [18]
37. Seondeok/Korea [16]
38. Suleiman/Ottomans [13]
40. Tamar/Georgia [30] (29 + 1) And because of the reasoning above, Georgia are also very good at a Diplo Victory.
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [29]
43. Trajan/Rome [18]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [19]

 

[TeddyMain]

2. Amanitore/Nubia [13]
3. Catherine/France [22]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [25]
8. Eleanor/France [19]
10. Dido/Phoenicia [24]
11. Gandhi/India [8]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [24]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [23]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [18]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [20]
19. Jayavarman/Khmer [8]
20. John Curtain/Australia [22]
21. Kristina/Sweden [32]
22. Kupe/Maori [24]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [26]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [8]
29. Pedro/Brazil. [14]
30. Pericles/Greece [31]
31. Peter/Russia [21]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [21]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [23]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [21]
36. Saladin/Arabia [18]
37. Seondeok/Korea [16]
38. Suleiman/Ottomans [10] (13-3) The Ottomans have the best diplomatic bonuses out of all the warmongers. That said, the Ottomans are still a warmongering civ, and their bonuses promoting conquest far outweigh their diplomatic strengths.
40. Tamar/Georgia [30]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [29]
43. Trajan/Rome [18]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [20] (19+1) I'm not with the whole "peace by war, love by blood" gang of Lily and now Beaver in this thread, as I play more peacefully. That being said, Canada makes a peaceful diplomatic victory a breeze, since every competition/emergency gives them DOUBLE FAVOR, literally hundreds of favor points earned in just a few turns, not to mention the diplomatic favor per turn you get from both having a government, city-state suzerainty, and Canada's extra favor from tourism.

 

[bengalryan9]

2. Amanitore/Nubia [10] Good at pelting you with arrows, not so good at diplomacy. Are the science and culture victory threads going to be just as ridiculous? "Nobody can out-tech Shaka after he's captured all but one enemy city..."
3. Catherine/France [22]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [25]
8. Eleanor/France [19]
10. Dido/Phoenicia [24]
11. Gandhi/India [8]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [24]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [23]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [18]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [20]
19. Jayavarman/Khmer [8]
20. John Curtain/Australia [22]
21. Kristina/Sweden [32]
22. Kupe/Maori [24]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [26]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [8]
29. Pedro/Brazil. [14]
30. Pericles/Greece [31]
31. Peter/Russia [21]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [21]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [23]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [21]
36. Saladin/Arabia [18]
37. Seondeok/Korea [16]
38. Suleiman/Ottomans [10]
40. Tamar/Georgia [30]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [29]
43. Trajan/Rome [18]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [21] (20+1) All not having a religion costs you is two measly DV points that nobody in this game is guaranteed to get anyways. If you miss out, your victory just takes a little bit longer. Big deal, especially when you've got the extra favor to win more resolutions. And while Canada may not have any direct bonuses to science or culture, the fact that you never have to worry about an overzealous AI surprising you with war means you can prioritize these things in situations where others can't.

eliminated by those who never achieved a diplomatic victory

Bull. I've got as many diplomatic victories (on immortal and deity) as any other type of victory and I've achieved each without cheesing my way to it by exploiting how bad the AI is at warfare. You make it sound like it's this impossible thing to do and it's simply not. Maybe a peaceful victory is just hard for *you*?

Feels like this contest is slowing down instead of speeding up

No kidding. Many people who normally post in the elimination threads have steered clear of this one.

 

[leandrombraz]

2. Amanitore/Nubia [10]
3. Catherine/France [22]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [26] (25+1) - 100% Alliance points is helpful but rely quite heavily on your ability to reach your allies with trade routes, which isn't always possible, reason why I didn't upvote Egypt sooner. Production boost is always welcome, so is some extra culture and the extra gold can help with Aid requests.
8. Eleanor/France [19]
10. Dido/Phoenicia [24]
11. Gandhi/India [8]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [24]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [23]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [18]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [20]
19. Jayavarman/Khmer [8]
20. John Curtain/Australia [22]
21. Kristina/Sweden [32]
22. Kupe/Maori [24]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [26]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [8]
29. Pedro/Brazil. [14]
30. Pericles/Greece [31]
31. Peter/Russia [21]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [21]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [23]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [21]
36. Saladin/Arabia [18]
37. Seondeok/Korea [16]
38. Suleiman/Ottomans [7] (10-3) - I was letting the Ottoman slide because of Ibrahim but the bonus for alliances is meaningless and it can only boost one alliance at a time.
40. Tamar/Georgia [30]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [29]
43. Trajan/Rome [18]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [21]

- Voting many times for the same thing is allowed, though it is really recommended to spread your votes among many civs if possible because at some point it starts being annoying and unfair.

Annoying indeed...

 

[Lily_Lancer]

2. Amanitore/Nubia [11=10+1]
3. Catherine/France [22]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [25]
8. Eleanor/France [19]
10. Dido/Phoenicia [24]
11. Gandhi/India [8]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [24]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [23]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [18]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [20]
19. Jayavarman/Khmer [8]
20. John Curtain/Australia [22]
21. Kristina/Sweden [32]
22. Kupe/Maori [24]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [26]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [8]
29. Pedro/Brazil. [14]
30. Pericles/Greece [31]
31. Peter/Russia [21]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [21]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [23]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [21]
36. Saladin/Arabia [18]
37. Seondeok/Korea [16]
38. Suleiman/Ottomans [10]
40. Tamar/Georgia [30]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [29]
43. Trajan/Rome [18]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [18=21-3] Of course everyone can win on Deity. However Canada(and Kongo) suffers risks on winning T200~210, their victory is not as stable as Civs who are better at "Diplomatic Victories", such as Nubia or Mongolia or Ottomans or Zulu. If you give me one of these I can ensure a Diplo Victory between T200~210, almost no risk, easy play.

These are really designed for "Diplomatic Victories". But what is Canada designed for?

If you ask "who is good at earning Diplomacy Favors", of course Canada is not bad.

However the question is "Who is good at winning a Diplomatic Victory?" Diplomatic Favor in fact plays little role in Diplomatic Victories, at least in the current patch of Civ6. If you wish to have the Victory instead of Favor as fast, easy and stable as possible, then you shall enlarge your sight far beyond "Diplomacy Favors" and look for "Diplomatic Victory" mechanics. Then you figure out that Canada is really the second worst to Kongo Civ at winning such type of Victory.

 

[kryat]

2. Amanitore/Nubia [8] (11-3) No clear advantage to winning diplomatic victories quickly.
3. Catherine/France [22]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [25]
8. Eleanor/France [19]
10. Dido/Phoenicia [24]
11. Gandhi/India [8]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [24]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [23]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [18]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [20]
19. Jayavarman/Khmer [8]
20. John Curtain/Australia [22]
21. Kristina/Sweden [32]
22. Kupe/Maori [24]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [26]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [8]
29. Pedro/Brazil. [14]
30. Pericles/Greece [31]
31. Peter/Russia [21]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [21]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [23]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [21]
36. Saladin/Arabia [18]
37. Seondeok/Korea [16]
38. Suleiman/Ottomans [10]
40. Tamar/Georgia [30]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [29]
43. Trajan/Rome [18]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [19] (18+1) Even if one goes for a dom-driven diplo victory, surely planning 5 turns ahead and denouncing someone before you start conquering is not difficult? The extra favor means a higher chance of collecting victory points along the way, gaining the victory faster. Remember, this would apply to winning emergencies targeting you as well.

 

[Kwami]

2. Amanitore/Nubia [5] (8 - 3) I don't see anything here that makes a Diplomatic Victory easier or faster.
3. Catherine/France [22]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [25]
8. Eleanor/France [19]
10. Dido/Phoenicia [24]
11. Gandhi/India [8]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [24]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [23]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [18]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [20]
19. Jayavarman/Khmer [8]
20. John Curtain/Australia [22]
21. Kristina/Sweden [32]
22. Kupe/Maori [24]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [27] (26 + 1) Lots of Gold means that Mansa Musa can buy lots of Diplomatic Favor from the AI, which means that he can guarantee victories in the Congress. This is the easiest way to win without just killing everyone. If you're going to kill everyone, then just finish off the last guy and win a Domination Victory instead. It's faster that way.
28. Pachacuti/Inca [8]
29. Pedro/Brazil. [14]
30. Pericles/Greece [31]
31. Peter/Russia [21]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [21]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [23]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [21]
36. Saladin/Arabia [18]
37. Seondeok/Korea [16]
38. Suleiman/Ottomans [10]
40. Tamar/Georgia [30]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [29]
43. Trajan/Rome [18]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [19]

@kryat: Are you ever going to update the original post? It's hard to follow along without seeing the order of elimination.

 

[BenitoChavez]

2. Amanitore/Nubia [5]
3. Catherine/France [22]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [25]
8. Eleanor/France [19]
10. Dido/Phoenicia [24]
11. Gandhi/India [8]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [24]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [24] = 23 + 1. There is a large disparity in points between Gorgo and Pericles and the only difference is the leader bonus. While Pericles will generate more culture over the course of a game, Gorgo gets a lot of early game culture even from just killing barbs which can grab you an early advantage and snowball from there.
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [18]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [20]
19. Jayavarman/Khmer [8]
20. John Curtain/Australia [22]
21. Kristina/Sweden [32]
22. Kupe/Maori [24]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [27]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [8]
29. Pedro/Brazil. [14]
30. Pericles/Greece [31]
31. Peter/Russia [21]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [21]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [23]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [21]
36. Saladin/Arabia [18]
37. Seondeok/Korea [16]
38. Suleiman/Ottomans [7] = 10 - 3. Is mostly geared towards a domination type of game which is against the spirit of diplomacy.
40. Tamar/Georgia [30]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [29]
43. Trajan/Rome [18]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [19] - This is apparently this thread's Mekewap/Mountie/Hellenistic Fusion

 

[Weraptor]

I have adjusted the votes accordingly.

2. Amanitore/Nubia [5]
3. Catherine/France [22]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [26]
8. Eleanor/France [19]
10. Dido/Phoenicia [24]
11. Gandhi/India [8]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [24]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [24]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [18]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [20]
19. Jayavarman/Khmer [8]
20. John Curtain/Australia [22]
21. Kristina/Sweden [32]
22. Kupe/Maori [24]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [27]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [5] (8-3) No big help towards DV, just big production and large cities. Also favors more of a isolationist playstyle.
29. Pedro/Brazil. [14]
30. Pericles/Greece [31]
31. Peter/Russia [21]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [21]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [23]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [21]
36. Saladin/Arabia [18]
37. Seondeok/Korea [16]
38. Suleiman/Ottomans [4]
40. Tamar/Georgia [30]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [30] (29+1) One of the most reliable favor-generating civs.
43. Trajan/Rome [18]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [19]

 

[lotrmith]

2. Amanitore/Nubia [2] 5 - 3 Cheesing DV by using domination might work for a select few players but it is still cheesing DV by using domination.
3. Catherine/France [22]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [26]
8. Eleanor/France [19]
10. Dido/Phoenicia [24]
11. Gandhi/India [8]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [24]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [24]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [18]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [20]
19. Jayavarman/Khmer [8]
20. John Curtain/Australia [22]
21. Kristina/Sweden [32]
22. Kupe/Maori [24]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [27]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [5]
29. Pedro/Brazil. [14]
30. Pericles/Greece [31]
31. Peter/Russia [21]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [21]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [23]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [21]
36. Saladin/Arabia [18]
37. Seondeok/Korea [16]
38. Suleiman/Ottomans [4]
40. Tamar/Georgia [30]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [30]
43. Trajan/Rome [18]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [20] 19 + 1 What benefits the top 0.1% of deity domination players who use domination to cheese the other VCs isn't what benefits the vast majority of players, nor what dictates game design. Canada is clearly and unequivocably designed for large DF benefits, and DF is designed to be the primary mechanism of DV.

 

[bengalryan9]

2. Amanitore/Nubia [eliminated] (2-3) War. What is it good for? Absolutely nothin'.
3. Catherine/France [22]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [26]
8. Eleanor/France [19]
10. Dido/Phoenicia [24]
11. Gandhi/India [8]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [24]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [24]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [18]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [20]
19. Jayavarman/Khmer [8]
20. John Curtain/Australia [22]
21. Kristina/Sweden [32]
22. Kupe/Maori [24]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [27]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [5]
29. Pedro/Brazil. [14]
30. Pericles/Greece [31]
31. Peter/Russia [21]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [21]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [23]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [21]
36. Saladin/Arabia [18]
37. Seondeok/Korea [16]
38. Suleiman/Ottomans [4]
40. Tamar/Georgia [30]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [30]
43. Trajan/Rome [18]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [21] (20+1) You may get credit for winning a diplomatic victory with Mongolia, or Macedon, or the Zulu, but you're really just winning a domination victory and everybody here can see that. For those who want to play an *actual* diplomatic game, you need diplomatic favor, and Canada gives you more than most other civs. And while that favor might not better for those cheesing their way to a DV, it sure matters to everyone else.

 

[leandrombraz]

3. Catherine/France [22]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [26]
8. Eleanor/France [19]
10. Dido/Phoenicia [24]
11. Gandhi/India [8]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [24]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [24]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [18]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [20]
19. Jayavarman/Khmer [8]
20. John Curtain/Australia [23] (22+1) - The best jack of all trades Civ in the game, good for diplomatic and anything else. You want to liberate cities as Australia and you want to liberate city-states playing diplomatic, so you can kill two rabbits with one stone;
21. Kristina/Sweden [32]
22. Kupe/Maori [24]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [27]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [2] (5-3) - The Inca aren't bad but they don't have anything that make them specially good for diplomatic.
29. Pedro/Brazil. [14]
30. Pericles/Greece [31]
31. Peter/Russia [21]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [21]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [23]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [21]
36. Saladin/Arabia [18]
37. Seondeok/Korea [16]
38. Suleiman/Ottomans [4]
40. Tamar/Georgia [30]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [30]
43. Trajan/Rome [18]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [21]
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It's one of the saddest things I ever seem in my life to see someone saying that taking the domination route and eliminating everyone is a way to enlarge your sight. Taking the absolutely most easy, obvious and uninspired route that you can take in a Civ game is supposed to be the result of seeing the game with an enlarged sight. Let that sink.

Lily, take a hint. This isn't a quick win on deity elimination thread. This isn't Lily's rank of best Civs to cheese diplomatic in the most boring way. Nobody gives a... duck (the other currency is forbidden, so we're trading in ducks.. quack!) to how you play diplomatic. You could win on turn 10 for all I care, it's boring, it isn't diplomatic, it isn't what is being ranked here and the most important, it isn't how people play diplomatic and it doesn't matter how early you win, people are clearly not interested in playing your way and the way they vote reflect that. People want to rank Civs that are good on how they play diplomatic, not how you play. You're free to vote the way you want, off course, but you could at least respect OP's recommendation and stop being annoying and unfair, to show that you can have at least some respect. Spread your votes a bit like everyone else is doing, at least try to be nice. Go after Sweden for a bit, for god sake. This war for Canada is already getting old. Maple Syrup is good but do we need to kill each other over it?

You won't impose the way you play on others, doesn't matter how good you think it is. Each player set their own objectives and rules when they play Civ. Yours is winning early doesn't matter what, other players have their own thing going on. You already showed that you can win Diplomatic on the turn you said you can, congratulations but that was boring and it wasn't diplomatic. If fun was a yield, you would be running with a serious deficit by the end of that game. Other players are willing to win a few turns later or take more risks while winning early to end the game with some fun on their account.

 

[Lily_Lancer]

3. Catherine/France [22]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [26]
8. Eleanor/France [19]
10. Dido/Phoenicia [24]
11. Gandhi/India [8]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [24]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [24]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [18]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [20]
19. Jayavarman/Khmer [8]
20. John Curtain/Australia [22]
21. Kristina/Sweden [32]
22. Kupe/Maori [24]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [27]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [5]
29. Pedro/Brazil. [14]
30. Pericles/Greece [31]
31. Peter/Russia [21]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [21]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [23]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [21]
36. Saladin/Arabia [18]
37. Seondeok/Korea [16]
38. Suleiman/Ottomans [5=4+1]
40. Tamar/Georgia [30]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [30]
43. Trajan/Rome [18]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [18=21-3] I guess this thread is for "diplomatic victory", and we all agree that Canada is one of the worst for that.

If you vote based on the strength of "actual diplomatic victory", then you shall start an "actual diplomatic victory elimination thread", instead of voting down those really good at Diplomatic Victories down just because you prefer "actual diplomatic victory" to in-game Diplomatic Victories.

It seems that many of the people here vote based on their own mods instead of real games.

I play with a mod that alters tech/civic research speed, so that might have something to do with it.

NO NEED TO SPREAD VOTES SINCE CANADA IS MUCH WORSE THAN ANY OTHER CIVS.

 

[TeddyMain]

3. Catherine/France [22]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [26]
8. Eleanor/France [19]
10. Dido/Phoenicia [24]
11. Gandhi/India [8]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [24]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [24]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [18]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [20]
19. Jayavarman/Khmer [8]
20. John Curtain/Australia [22]
21. Kristina/Sweden [32]
22. Kupe/Maori [24]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [27]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [5]
29. Pedro/Brazil. [14]
30. Pericles/Greece [31]
31. Peter/Russia [21]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [21]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [23]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [21]
36. Saladin/Arabia [18]
37. Seondeok/Korea [16]
38. Suleiman/Ottomans [2] [5-3] The last of the blatant warmongers should've been offed before the Dutch or the Nubians, but that's just my opinion.
40. Tamar/Georgia [30]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [30]
43. Trajan/Rome [18]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [19] [18+1] Upvoting one of the best civs for an ACTUAL diplomatic victory is not much, but its honest work. Lily, please take leandrambaz's advice and spread your votes, it will make your presence on this thread far less annoying.

Lily, take a hint. This isn't a quick win on deity elimination thread. This isn't Lily's rank of best Civs to cheese diplomatic in the most boring way. Nobody gives a... duck (the other currency is forbidden, so we're trading in ducks.. quack!) to how you play diplomatic. You could win on turn 10 for all I care, it's boring, it isn't diplomatic, it isn't what is being ranked here and the most important, it isn't how people play diplomatic and it doesn't matter how early you win, people are clearly not interested in playing your way and the way they vote reflect that. People want to rank Civs that are good on how they play diplomatic, not how you play. You're free to vote the way you want, off course, but you could at least respect OP's recommendation and stop being annoying and unfair, to show that you can have at least some respect. Spread your votes a bit like everyone else is doing, at least try to be nice. Go after Sweden for a bit, for god sake. This war for Canada is already getting old. Maple Syrup is good but do we need to kill each other over it?

I feel like this rant can be summed up in one picture: