Diplomatic Victory Elimination Thread

[Datgingah]

3. Catherine/France [22]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [26]
8. Eleanor/France [19]
10. Dido/Phoenicia [24]
11. Gandhi/India [8]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [24]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [24]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [18]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [20]
19. Jayavarman/Khmer [8]
20. John Curtain/Australia [22]
21. Kristina/Sweden [32]
22. Kupe/Maori [24]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [27]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [5]
29. Pedro/Brazil. [14]
30. Pericles/Greece [31]
31. Peter/Russia [21]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [21]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [23]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [21]
36. Saladin/Arabia [18]
37. Seondeok/Korea [16]
38. Suleiman/Ottomans [2-3] (Eliminated) War is against the spirit of the thread
40. Tamar/Georgia [30]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [30]
43. Trajan/Rome [18]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [20] [10+1] Gets bonuses to diplo favor in multiple ways, and a unique culture improvement so very good imo.

 

[Pietato]

25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [29]

 

[Leucarum]

3. Catherine/France [22]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [26]
8. Eleanor/France [19]
10. Dido/Phoenicia [24]
11. Gandhi/India [8]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [24]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [24]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [18]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [20]
19. Jayavarman/Khmer [8]
20. John Curtain/Australia [22]
21. Kristina/Sweden [32]
22. Kupe/Maori [24]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [27]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [29]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [2] (5-3) Just downvoting here.
29. Pedro/Brazil. [14]
30. Pericles/Greece [31]
31. Peter/Russia [21]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [21]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [23]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [21]
36. Saladin/Arabia [18]
37. Seondeok/Korea [16]
40. Tamar/Georgia [30]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [30]
43. Trajan/Rome [18]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [21] (20+1) I was going to stop voting on this thread but it kind of feels like it's venturing towards trolling territory. Nothing about a DV is efficient and you aren't playing optimally if you are trying to win one.

 

[Victoria]

3. Catherine/France [22]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [26]
8. Eleanor/France [19]
10. Dido/Phoenicia [24]
11. Gandhi/India [8]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [24]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [24]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [18]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [20]
19. Jayavarman/Khmer [5] (8-3) no benefits here and religion can be seen as a negative in this regard
20. John Curtain/Australia [22]
21. Kristina/Sweden [32]
22. Kupe/Maori [25] (24+1) - Being able to meet everyone very quickly and the possibility to be in more emergencies is a huge benefit. The CS bonuses at the start and the military option if that is your bent means Kupe has great options.
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [27]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [29]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [2]
29. Pedro/Brazil. [14]
30. Pericles/Greece [31]
31. Peter/Russia [21]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [21]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [23]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [21]
36. Saladin/Arabia [18]
37. Seondeok/Korea [16]
40. Tamar/Georgia [30]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [30]
43. Trajan/Rome [18]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [21]

 

[Weraptor]

3. Catherine/France [22]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [26]
8. Eleanor/France [19]
10. Dido/Phoenicia [24]
11. Gandhi/India [8]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [24]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [24]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [18]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [20]
19. Jayavarman/Khmer [5]
20. John Curtain/Australia [22]
21. Kristina/Sweden [32]
22. Kupe/Maori [25]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [27]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [30] (29+1) An exclusive way to generate envoys for this one.
28. Pachacuti/Inca [gone] (2-3) More of an isolionist than diplomatic player.
29. Pedro/Brazil. [14]
30. Pericles/Greece [31]
31. Peter/Russia [21]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [21]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [23]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [21]
36. Saladin/Arabia [18]
37. Seondeok/Korea [16]
40. Tamar/Georgia [30]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [30]
43. Trajan/Rome [18]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [21]

 

[Kmart_Elvis]

3. Catherine/France [22]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [26]
8. Eleanor/France [19]
10. Dido/Phoenicia [24]
11. Gandhi/India [8]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [24]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [24]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [18]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [20]
19. Jayavarman/Khmer [2] (5-3) A religious and cultural powerhouse, but really only that. Does not translate to diplomatic victory.
20. John Curtain/Australia [22]
21. Kristina/Sweden [32]
22. Kupe/Maori [25]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [27]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [30]
29. Pedro/Brazil. [14]
30. Pericles/Greece [31]
31. Peter/Russia [21]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [21]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [23]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [21]
36. Saladin/Arabia [18]
37. Seondeok/Korea [16]
40. Tamar/Georgia [30]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [30]
43. Trajan/Rome [18]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [22] (21+1) By no means the best diplo civ, but it getting a torrent of downvotes at this point of the game is pretty unfair.

 

[kryat]

3. Catherine/France [22]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [26]
8. Eleanor/France [19]
10. Dido/Phoenicia [24]
11. Gandhi/India [8]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [24]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [24]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [18]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [20]
19. Jayavarman/Khmer [eliminated] Just not a good civ to play as for anything but faith
20. John Curtain/Australia [22]
21. Kristina/Sweden [32]
22. Kupe/Maori [25]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [27]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [30]
29. Pedro/Brazil. [14]
30. Pericles/Greece [31]
31. Peter/Russia [21]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [21]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [23]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [21]
36. Saladin/Arabia [18]
37. Seondeok/Korea [16]
40. Tamar/Georgia [30]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [30]
43. Trajan/Rome [18]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [23] (22+1) Not number one, but probably a top 5. Way too early too see this one go.

 

[lotrmith]

3. Catherine/France [22]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [26]
8. Eleanor/France [19]
10. Dido/Phoenicia [24]
11. Gandhi/India [8]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [24]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [24]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [18]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [17] 20 - 3 Seems to be skirting along unnoticed.
20. John Curtain/Australia [22]
21. Kristina/Sweden [32]
22. Kupe/Maori [25]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [27]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [30]
29. Pedro/Brazil. [14]
30. Pericles/Greece [31]
31. Peter/Russia [21]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [21]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [23]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [21]
36. Saladin/Arabia [18]
37. Seondeok/Korea [16]
40. Tamar/Georgia [30]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [30]
43. Trajan/Rome [18]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [24] (23+1) Not number one, but probably a top 5. Yep!

 

[enKage]

3. Catherine/France [22]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [26]
8. Eleanor/France [19]
10. Dido/Phoenicia [24]
11. Gandhi/India [8]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [24]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [24]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [18]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [14] 17-3 My 2 last games I tried to play Poland. For me mega mess civ and diplo is the very last condition I could imagine winning as Poland
20. John Curtain/Australia [22]
21. Kristina/Sweden [32]
22. Kupe/Maori [25]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [27]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [30]
29. Pedro/Brazil. [14]
30. Pericles/Greece [31]
31. Peter/Russia [21]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [22] 21+1 That feeling even on huge map you know all city states in classical age. The earlier you know CS, the earlier you can do quests.
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [23]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [21]
36. Saladin/Arabia [18]
37. Seondeok/Korea [16]
40. Tamar/Georgia [30]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [30]
43. Trajan/Rome [18]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [24]

 

[bengalryan9]

3. Catherine/France [22]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [26]
8. Eleanor/France [19]
10. Dido/Phoenicia [24]
11. Gandhi/India [8]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [24]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [24]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [18]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [14]
20. John Curtain/Australia [22]
21. Kristina/Sweden [32]
22. Kupe/Maori [25]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [27]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [30]
29. Pedro/Brazil. [11] (14-3) Doesn't really bring anything to the table here.
30. Pericles/Greece [31]
31. Peter/Russia [21]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [22]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [23]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [21]
36. Saladin/Arabia [18]
37. Seondeok/Korea [16]
40. Tamar/Georgia [30]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [30]
43. Trajan/Rome [18]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [25] (24+1) Lily's all like "we all agree Canada isn't good at diplomatic victory", and then Canada instantly gets 5+ upvotes lol. @leandrombraz is dead on in his assessment, and all you're doing at this point is dragging this out to try to make some awful point that nobody agrees with. We're all playing the same game you are, too, so you can go ahead and stop pretending this is a result of mods, too.

Said it before and I'll say it again, this makes me look forward to the other victory threads. "Zulu's way better at science victory than Korea, because Korea can't tech when they're dead!"

I might just troll the heck out of the domination thread when it starts, lol.

 

[Isengardtom]

Catherine/France [22]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [27] (26 +1) 15% wonder production, Alliance bonus points. Culture bonus with Sphinx to get to relevant governments and mahabodi civics faster are all + to diplo. Always think this civ is one of the most underrated in the game actually. Can go any victory type really. But especially culture and diplo, and faith to some extent if you prioritise getting the prophet.
8. Eleanor/France [19]
10. Dido/Phoenicia [24]
11. Gandhi/India [5] (8-3) I don’t see any diplo benefits
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [24]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [24]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [18]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [14]
20. John Curtain/Australia [22]
21. Kristina/Sweden [32]
22. Kupe/Maori [25]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [27]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [30]
29. Pedro/Brazil. [11]
30. Pericles/Greece [31]
31. Peter/Russia [21]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [22]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [23]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [21]
36. Saladin/Arabia [18]
37. Seondeok/Korea [16]
40. Tamar/Georgia [30]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [30]
43. Trajan/Rome [18]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [25]

 

[leandrombraz]

It seems I was the one who deleted Hungary. Sorry, Matthias

3. Catherine/France [22]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [27]
8. Eleanor/France [19]
10. Dido/Phoenicia [24]
11. Gandhi/India [5]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [24]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [24]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [18]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [11] (14-3) - I'll join the downvote Poland bandwagon. I like Poland, they are a good, fun Civ but being good isn't enough this late into the thread.
20. John Curtain/Australia [22]
21. Kristina/Sweden [32]
22. Kupe/Maori [25]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [27]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [30]
29. Pedro/Brazil. [11]
30. Pericles/Greece [31]
31. Peter/Russia [21]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [22]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [23]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [21]
36. Saladin/Arabia [18]
37. Seondeok/Korea [16]
40. Tamar/Georgia [30]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [30]
43. Trajan/Rome [18]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [26] (25+1) - I wasn't planning to repeat a vote into I ran out of Civs that I think are good or at least decent for Diplomatic, but I think I need to give my contribution in the Great Maple Syrup War. Lily, your efforts to take down Canada is making it stronger, it's backfiring beautifully. If you keep at this pace, Canada will end this thing in first.
_____________________________________________________________________

I guess this thread is for "diplomatic victory", and we all agree that Canada is one of the worst for that.

At this point, you're just delusional.

It seems that many of the people here vote based on their own mods instead of real games.

Are you seriously quoting something from another thread, completely unrelated, posted by someone who didn't even vote here and using it to accuse everyone of voting based on mods? That's your move? You actually think that will fly?


@TeddyMain I'm as calm as Gandhi... before he goes nuke crazy, that is.

 

[monstercat]

3. Catherine/France [22]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [27]
8. Eleanor/France [19]
10. Dido/Phoenicia [24]
11. Gandhi/India [2] (5 - 3) Considering what he actually did in history, GS could have and should have given him some form of diplomatic bonus. But it was not to be.
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [24]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [24]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [18]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [11]
20. John Curtain/Australia [23] (22 + 1) Missed upvote from #158, corrected.
21. Kristina/Sweden [32]
22. Kupe/Maori [25]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [27]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [30]
29. Pedro/Brazil. [11]
30. Pericles/Greece [31]
31. Peter/Russia [21]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [22]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [23]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [21]
36. Saladin/Arabia [18]
37. Seondeok/Korea [16]
40. Tamar/Georgia [30]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [30]
43. Trajan/Rome [18]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [27] (26 + 1) I don't want to start off another "a domination victory can be a diplomatic victory if you make it" row. Canada plays well in a proper peaceful diplomatic victory, which is much easier and fulfilling. Bonus favour from emergencies is a direct bonus, and all you are really going to need to win WC.

 

[leandrombraz]

20. John Curtain/Australia [23] (22 + 1) Missed upvote from #158, corrected.

My vote on #158 was completely ignored by the next voter, not only the upvote on Australia. I also downvoted The Inca there. That mean the Inca should have been eliminated by @Leucarum vote on #163, so @Weraptor wouldn't be able to downvote them on #165. Considering this, @Weraptor can downvote one extra Civ to make up for the downvote wasted on the Inca

 

[Weraptor]

3. Catherine/France [22]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [27]
8. Eleanor/France [19]
10. Dido/Phoenicia [24]
11. Gandhi/India [2]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [24]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [24]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [18]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [8] (11-3) Can generate grievances easily either from conquest, culture bombing or conversion
20. John Curtain/Australia [23]
21. Kristina/Sweden [32]
22. Kupe/Maori [25]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [27]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [30]
29. Pedro/Brazil [11]
30. Pericles/Greece [31]
31. Peter/Russia [21]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [22]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [23]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [21]
36. Saladin/Arabia [18]
37. Seondeok/Korea [16]
40. Tamar/Georgia [30]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [30]
43. Trajan/Rome [18]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [27]

 

[Lily_Lancer]

3. Catherine/France [22]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [28=27+1] Maryannu chariot archer are one of the best diplomats
8. Eleanor/France [19]
10. Dido/Phoenicia [24]
11. Gandhi/India [2]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [24]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [24]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [18]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [8]
20. John Curtain/Australia [23]
21. Kristina/Sweden [32]
22. Kupe/Maori [25]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [27]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [30]
29. Pedro/Brazil [11]
30. Pericles/Greece [31]
31. Peter/Russia [21]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [22]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [23]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [21]
36. Saladin/Arabia [18]
37. Seondeok/Korea [16]
40. Tamar/Georgia [30]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [30]
43. Trajan/Rome [18]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [24=27-3] Many vote him up, nobody post a Canadian victory. Really interesting.

 

[Kwami]

3. Catherine/France [22]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [28]
8. Eleanor/France [19]
10. Dido/Phoenicia [24]
11. Gandhi/India [2]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [24]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [24]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [18]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [8]
20. John Curtain/Australia [23]
21. Kristina/Sweden [32]
22. Kupe/Maori [25]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [28] (27 + 1)
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [30]
29. Pedro/Brazil [11]
30. Pericles/Greece [31]
31. Peter/Russia [21]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [22]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [23]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [21]
36. Saladin/Arabia [18]
37. Seondeok/Korea [16]
40. Tamar/Georgia [30]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [30]
43. Trajan/Rome [18]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [21] (24 - 3)

Mansa Musa gets lots of Gold, which lets him buy lots of Diplomatic Favor, which is how he can control the congress.

You know, Wilfrid actually doesn't seem very good for diplomacy. Sure, he gets bonus Diplomatic Favor for having hundreds of Tourism, but in that case, he'll probably just win a Culture Victory instead. So, that leaves two other major abilities: no surprise wars, and bonus Diplomatic Favor for winning emergencies. The first doesn't really matter. If anyway, it forces other civilizations to behave a bit better, reducing their own penalties to Diplomatic Favor. That's not good for Wilifrid. As for the bonus Favor from emergencies, I'm not sure that it really does much, either. Firstly, emergencies come down to luck. There's no guarantee that you'll have any in your game and odds are that you won't have more than one or two. So, we're talking about maybe a couple hundred Favor. No big deal. Secondly, emergencies are hard to win in the early game when the AI has far more resources than you. Unfortunately, that's the best time to win emergencies. Later in the game, you'll probably have allies that prevent you from participating in military emergencies. Overall, I'm just not impressed. If you're going to play Wilfrid, then it seems best to just spam Natural Parks and win with Culture. I don't know why you'd go Diplomacy.

As a more general note, I think the intensity in this thread needs to die down a bit. Lily plays his way, you play your way, and everyone gets to vote however they wish. Let's just have fun.

 

[SirMediocrity]

3. Catherine/France [22]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [28]
8. Eleanor/France [19]
10. Dido/Phoenicia [24]
11. Gandhi/India [0] (2-3) Honestly, Gandhi is just an all-around bad leader. And he has no practical bonuses toward diplomacy anyway. Rest in peace.
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [24]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [24]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [18]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [8]
20. John Curtain/Australia [23]
21. Kristina/Sweden [33] (32+1) Kristina has some great diplomatic abilities. Definitely deserves to at least be in the top 5.
22. Kupe/Maori [25]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [28] (27 + 1)
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [30]
29. Pedro/Brazil [11]
30. Pericles/Greece [31]
31. Peter/Russia [21]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [22]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [23]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [21]
36. Saladin/Arabia [18]
37. Seondeok/Korea [16]
40. Tamar/Georgia [30]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [30]
43. Trajan/Rome [18]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [21]

 

[Weraptor]

Previous vote was a bonus one, and here's my vote for today:

3. Catherine/France [22]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [28]
8. Eleanor/France [16] (19-3) Bad leader of a bad civ (without Catherine). Bad even for diplo.
10. Dido/Phoenicia [25] (24+1) Good gold and exploration potential. Probably more defensive than offensive as well.
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [24]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [24]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [18]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [8]
20. John Curtain/Australia [23]
21. Kristina/Sweden [33]
22. Kupe/Maori [25]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [28]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [30]
29. Pedro/Brazil [11]
30. Pericles/Greece [31]
31. Peter/Russia [21]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [22]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [23]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [21]
36. Saladin/Arabia [18]
37. Seondeok/Korea [16]
40. Tamar/Georgia [30]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [30]
43. Trajan/Rome [18]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [21]

 

[lotrmith]

3. Catherine/France [22]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [28]
8. Eleanor/France [16]
10. Dido/Phoenicia [25]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [24]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [24]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [18]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [8]
20. John Curtain/Australia [23]
21. Kristina/Sweden [33]
22. Kupe/Maori [25]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [28]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [30]
29. Pedro/Brazil [8] 11 - 3 Agreed not much going for him.
30. Pericles/Greece [31]
31. Peter/Russia [21]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [22]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [23]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [21]
36. Saladin/Arabia [18]
37. Seondeok/Korea [16]
40. Tamar/Georgia [30]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [30]
43. Trajan/Rome [18]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [22] 21 + 1 This isn't a 'let's play' or GotM thread.