Diplomatic Victory Elimination Thread

[Leucarum]

3. Catherine/France [22]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [28]
8. Eleanor/France [16]
10. Dido/Phoenicia [25]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [24]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [24]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [18]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [5] (8-3) No particular bonuses or weaknesses like most of this list
20. John Curtain/Australia [23]
21. Kristina/Sweden [33]
22. Kupe/Maori [25]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [28]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [30]
29. Pedro/Brazil [8]
30. Pericles/Greece [31]
31. Peter/Russia [21]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [22]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [23]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [21]
36. Saladin/Arabia [18]
37. Seondeok/Korea [16]
40. Tamar/Georgia [30]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [30]
43. Trajan/Rome [18]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [23] (22+1) Hitting the undo button again.

 

[TeddyMain]

3. Catherine/France [22]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [28]
8. Eleanor/France [16]
10. Dido/Phoenicia [25]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [24]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [24]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [18]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [5]
20. John Curtain/Australia [23]
21. Kristina/Sweden [33]
22. Kupe/Maori [25]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [28]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [30]
29. Pedro/Brazil [5] [8-3] Didn't bring much to the table in terms of diplomacy, especially when you have a very tempting and useful UU that is also an awful source of emmisions.
30. Pericles/Greece [31]
31. Peter/Russia [21]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [22]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [23]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [21]
36. Saladin/Arabia [18]
37. Seondeok/Korea [16]
40. Tamar/Georgia [30]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [31] [30+1] Since slews of people are upvoting Canada, I guess I can take my upvotes elsewhere, and who else but the late game diplo favor juggernaut.
43. Trajan/Rome [18]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [23]

 

[bengalryan9]

3. Catherine/France [22]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [28]
8. Eleanor/France [16]
10. Dido/Phoenicia [25]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [24]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [24]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [18]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [2] (5-3) What advantage does she bring to the diplomatic table? As Poland I want to steal tiles from other nations... that's not going to make other civs happy, especially if it converts them to my religion.
20. John Curtain/Australia [23]
21. Kristina/Sweden [33]
22. Kupe/Maori [25]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [28]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [30]
29. Pedro/Brazil [5]
30. Pericles/Greece [31]
31. Peter/Russia [21]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [22]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [23]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [21]
36. Saladin/Arabia [18]
37. Seondeok/Korea [16]
40. Tamar/Georgia [30]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [31]
43. Trajan/Rome [18]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [24] (23+1) @Kwami I don't know if any of us actually think Canada is far and away the best diplomatic victory civ in the game so much as we think it's just pretty silly to vote down any civ that actually gets a bonus towards this victory condition before so many others remaining that get nothing. Especially when the only reason is "it takes 5 turns longer for me to declare war and go on a blitzkreig (that most timeless of diplomatic strategies)". And while I agree with you that everyone is entitled to play the game how they want to, that's a two way street, and considering how often Lily talks down to everyone else on here for not playing exactly the way he thinks they should I'm not going to feel too bad if the tables are turned on him for once. As far as providing a save game as proof... come on man. You may be able to blow through multiple games in a week, but most of us can't and/or don't.

Can't wait to upvote Mongolia in the cultural victory thread, though, because you can't out tourism someone when you're dead! That will totally in line with the goal of the thread, I'm sure. /sarcasm

 

[enKage]

3. Catherine/France [22]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [28]
8. Eleanor/France [16]
10. Dido/Phoenicia [25]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [24]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [24]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [18]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [2]
20. John Curtain/Australia [23]
21. Kristina/Sweden [33]
22. Kupe/Maori [25]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [28]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [31] 30+1 Who does not love it? The biggest potential for free envoys, better than Greece.
29. Pedro/Brazil [5]
30. Pericles/Greece [31]
31. Peter/Russia [21]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [22]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [23]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [21]
36. Saladin/Arabia [15] 18-3 Religious civ = greviances when defending your religion via theological battle. Religios greviances are not so easy to cancel, in oppisite to warmonger greviances. IMO all heavy religious civs should be eliminated before warmonger with the exception of Georgia. one early wonder very hard to build on high difficulties is not a factor in diplo game.
37. Seondeok/Korea [16]
40. Tamar/Georgia [30]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [31]
43. Trajan/Rome [18]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [24]

 

[leandrombraz]

3. Catherine/France [22]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [28]
8. Eleanor/France [13] (16-3) - Eliminating other Civs through loyalty seems like a fun way to play but it looks more like a gimmick strategy than a sound way to win diplomatic. Also, Catherine's spies are better suited for Diplomatic than Eleanor's shenanigans;
10. Dido/Phoenicia [26] (25+1) - Sea Mali. Nuff said.
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [24]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [24]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [18]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [2]
20. John Curtain/Australia [23]
21. Kristina/Sweden [33]
22. Kupe/Maori [25]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [28]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [31]
29. Pedro/Brazil [5]
30. Pericles/Greece [31]
31. Peter/Russia [21]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [22]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [23]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [21]
36. Saladin/Arabia [15]
37. Seondeok/Korea [16]
40. Tamar/Georgia [30]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [31]
43. Trajan/Rome [18]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [24]

 

[Datgingah]

3. Catherine/France [22]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [28]
8. Eleanor/France [10] (13-3) Not helpful at all
10. Dido/Phoenicia [26]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [24]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [24]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [18]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [3] While not as good as Greece's ability, her ability to turn a military card into a wildcard slot will always be useful, and helps in the early religion rush if clever.
20. John Curtain/Australia [23]
21. Kristina/Sweden [33]
22. Kupe/Maori [25]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [28]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [31]
29. Pedro/Brazil [5]
30. Pericles/Greece [31]
31. Peter/Russia [21]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [22]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [23]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [21]
36. Saladin/Arabia [15]
37. Seondeok/Korea [16]
40. Tamar/Georgia [30]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [31]
43. Trajan/Rome [18]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [24]

 

[Archon_Wing]

3. Catherine/France [23] =22 + 1 Direct Bonus to building 2 of the key wonders for a Diplomatic Victory. Spies can ruin rival CS's. Because Diplo victory is slower than other victory conditions, they have more opportunities to do work and slow down other people's victories like sabotaging spaceports.
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [28]
8. Eleanor/France [10]
10. Dido/Phoenicia [26]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [24]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [24]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [18]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [3]
20. John Curtain/Australia [23]
21. Kristina/Sweden [33]
22. Kupe/Maori [25]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [28]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [31]
29. Pedro/Brazil [5]
30. Pericles/Greece [31]
31. Peter/Russia [21]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [22]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [23]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [21]
36. Saladin/Arabia [15]
37. Seondeok/Korea [16]
40. Tamar/Georgia [30]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [31]
43. Trajan/Rome [18]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [21]= 24-3 Canadian diplomatic victory is a meme. 1 favor for 100 tourism is a bad joke especially after the writing nerf, and Canada will always beat themselves with their own culture victory if pursuing that. The emergency bonus is not reliable and not even particularly impactful either.

 

[Pietato]

3. Catherine/France [23]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [28]
8. Eleanor/France [11] Eleanor is amazing at purely peaceful Diplomatic Victory because she can take cities with zero penalties. It seems many of you have no clue how to actually play as her, or are just dogpiling on.
10. Dido/Phoenicia [26]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [24]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [24]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [18]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [3]
20. John Curtain/Australia [23]
21. Kristina/Sweden [33]
22. Kupe/Maori [25]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [28]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [31]
29. Pedro/Brazil [5]
30. Pericles/Greece [31]
31. Peter/Russia [21]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [22]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [23]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [21]
36. Saladin/Arabia [15]
37. Seondeok/Korea [16]
40. Tamar/Georgia [30]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [31]
43. Trajan/Rome [18]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [18] Canada is bad at Diplomatic Victory. The tiny amount of extra favour they get (far too late) does not make them good.

Felt like I had to post seeing as people who are voting based on peaceful diplomatic victory are downvoting Eleanor, who is amazing at peaceful games.

 

[Kwami]

3. Catherine/France [23]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [28]
8. Eleanor/France [11]
10. Dido/Phoenicia [27] (26 + 1) Dido makes a lot of Gold. Gold buys a lot of Favor. Favor wins congresses.
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [24]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [24]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [18]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [3]
20. John Curtain/Australia [23]
21. Kristina/Sweden [33]
22. Kupe/Maori [25]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [28]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [31]
29. Pedro/Brazil [5]
30. Pericles/Greece [31]
31. Peter/Russia [21]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [22]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [23]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [21]
36. Saladin/Arabia [15]
37. Seondeok/Korea [16]
40. Tamar/Georgia [30]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [31]
43. Trajan/Rome [18]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [15] (18 - 3) As before. I think the bonus DF is throwing people off, here. Wilfrid's bonus DF is tiny compared to what you need to win and he doesn't really get anything to help you get the rest.

 

[Lily_Lancer]

3. Catherine/France [23]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [28]
8. Eleanor/France [11]
10. Dido/Phoenicia [27]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [25=24+1]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [24]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [18]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [3]
20. John Curtain/Australia [23]
21. Kristina/Sweden [33]
22. Kupe/Maori [25]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [28]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [31]
29. Pedro/Brazil [5]
30. Pericles/Greece [31]
31. Peter/Russia [21]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [22]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [23]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [21]
36. Saladin/Arabia [15]
37. Seondeok/Korea [16]
40. Tamar/Georgia [30]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [31]
43. Trajan/Rome [18]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [12=15-3] 5 turns is important. Time waits for no one, with tanks and bombers you can eliminate a 10-city Civ in 4~5 turns, sometimes as quick as 2 turns if he only have 4~5 cities. Anyone can eliminate those who may vote against you right before the congress starts , except for Wilfrid, the only exception who loses votes unless he savescums.

 

[lotrmith]

[3. Catherine/France [23]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [28]
8. Eleanor/France [8] 11 - 3 Flipping cities peacefully is slow and tedious and, while unique, doesn't particulary benefit you for a DV.
10. Dido/Phoenicia [27]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [24]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [18]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [3]
20. John Curtain/Australia [23]
21. Kristina/Sweden [33]
22. Kupe/Maori [25]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [28]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [31]
29. Pedro/Brazil [5]
30. Pericles/Greece [31]
31. Peter/Russia [21]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [22]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [23]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [21]
36. Saladin/Arabia [15]
37. Seondeok/Korea [16]
40. Tamar/Georgia [30]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [31]
43. Trajan/Rome [18]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [13] 12 + 1 Lot of artificial hate for an 'insignificant' double DF bonus. Seems like people are taking the 100 tourism > 1 DF, which is insignificant, and conflating that with the double DF from emergencies which is quite significant (in fact it's the main source of a certain war cheeser's DF). If you want to cheese diplomacy by wiping everyone out, there's literally nothing stopping you from denouncing anyone as soon as you meet them, then gaining double DF for winning the emergencies targeting you (again, exact strat used to upvote others). If you don't cheese DV via war, Canada is a top 5 civ. If you cheese DV by war, Canada is still a top 10 civ.

 

[Weraptor]

3. Catherine/France [23]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [28]
8. Eleanor/France [8]
10. Dido/Phoenicia [27]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [25]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [24]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [18]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [gone] (3-3) Deters diplo victories rather than encourages.
20. John Curtain/Australia [23]
21. Kristina/Sweden [34] (33+1) Sick favour per turn.
22. Kupe/Maori [25]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [28]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [31]
29. Pedro/Brazil [5]
30. Pericles/Greece [31]
31. Peter/Russia [21]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [22]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [23]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [21]
36. Saladin/Arabia [15]
37. Seondeok/Korea [16]
40. Tamar/Georgia [30]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [31]
43. Trajan/Rome [18]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [13]

 

[monstercat]

3. Catherine/France [23]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [28]
8. Eleanor/France [5] (8 - 3) Nothing Favour related about Freleanor
10. Dido/Phoenicia [27]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [25]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [24]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [18]
20. John Curtain/Australia [23]
21. Kristina/Sweden [35] (34 + 1) This gal definitely has the best direct bonuses to favour generation.
22. Kupe/Maori [25]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [28]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [31]
29. Pedro/Brazil [5]
30. Pericles/Greece [31]
31. Peter/Russia [21]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [22]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [23]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [21]
36. Saladin/Arabia [15]
37. Seondeok/Korea [16]
40. Tamar/Georgia [30]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [31]
43. Trajan/Rome [18]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [13]

 

[Kmart_Elvis]

3. Catherine/France [23]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [28]
8. Eleanor/France [5]
10. Dido/Phoenicia [27]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [25]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [24]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [18]
20. John Curtain/Australia [23]
21. Kristina/Sweden [35]
22. Kupe/Maori [25]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [28]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [31]
29. Pedro/Brazil [5]
30. Pericles/Greece [31]
31. Peter/Russia [18] (21-3) One reason why this is my favorite civ is because they are so flexible. Well, except when it comes to diplo victory, then they don't really have anything in particular for it. Russia is indeed stronk, but they have their limits here.
33. Poundmaker/Cree [22]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [23]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [21]
36. Saladin/Arabia [15]
37. Seondeok/Korea [16]
40. Tamar/Georgia [30]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [31]
43. Trajan/Rome [18]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [14] (13+1)Why is Canadai in particular being picked on? They at least have some bonuses towards getting a diplo victory. I'm amazed that there's still a bunch of other civs, like Russia or Scotland, which have absolutely nothing special or unique in getting a diplomatic victory, yet they still rank higher. At least Canada has some things going for it. #SaveCanada

 

[leandrombraz]

3. Catherine/France [23]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [28]
8. Eleanor/France [5]
10. Dido/Phoenicia [27]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [25]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [24]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [18]
20. John Curtain/Australia [23]
21. Kristina/Sweden [35]
22. Kupe/Maori [25]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [28]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [31]
29. Pedro/Brazil [5]
30. Pericles/Greece [31]
31. Peter/Russia [18]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [22]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [23]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [18] (21-3) - The bonus for happy/ecstatic cities is nice, while the war of liberation boost is useless since you're unlikely to declare one. Not a bad Civ but the list is getting shorter.
36. Saladin/Arabia [15]
37. Seondeok/Korea [16]
40. Tamar/Georgia [30]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [31]
43. Trajan/Rome [19] (18+1) - Strong, balanced Civ. Free monuments give a strong cultural start and free trading posts help you reach further with your trade routes early, which make it easier to trade with allies. More gold is always welcome and the Bath is a strong UD.
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [14]
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About Canada, Their UA design is flawed since you need to invest on the yield that is the victory condition for cultural, a faster victory, to get favors. Firaxis should redesign this ability, attach Canada's favor per turn to something else. Personally I prefer to disconsider this and judge each victory separately, considering that you can disable victory conditions when you set a game. If your objective is to win a diplo victory, not just win, I don't think that flaw has much weight on Canada's strength as a Diplomatic Civ. We're judging how good each Civ is compared to others on a specific victory, not how good that Civ is against itself on different victories. You will win cultural before you win diplomatic but does it matter here?

Canada does look weaker than other Civs that can generate more favors, or at least not as consistent, but they still better than Civs that doesn't get any. All good points being raised that actually have to do with diplomacy though.

Many vote him up, nobody post a Canadian victory. Really interesting.

As far as providing a save game as proof... come on man. You may be able to blow through multiple games in a week, but most of us can't and/or don't.

The last game I played was that Hungary game I posted 2 weeks ago. I'm not sure if I'll be able to start a new match this week and even if I do, I'll stick to my plan, which is to go for a Scientific as Eleanor/England, focused more on doing loyalty shenanigans than on actually winning. I'm going for the long run. I like to take my time playing Civ, really think about each move and micromanage everything, that when I have time for it, so I usually take one week or more to finish my games, usually followed by an interval of one week to a month to do something else. Civ is too time consuming for me and time is short, so I'm not changing my plans to prove anything to anyone. My next Diplo game will be as Greece (Pericles), god knows when. November is building up to be a busy Month.

 

[Isengardtom]

3. Catherine/France [23]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [28]
8. Eleanor/France [5]
10. Dido/Phoenicia [27]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [25]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [24]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [18]
20. John Curtain/Australia [23]
21. Kristina/Sweden [35]
22. Kupe/Maori [25]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [28]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [31]
29. Pedro/Brazil [2] (5-3) great people are nice, but don’t help much at diplo victory
30. Pericles/Greece [31]
31. Peter/Russia [18]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [22]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [23]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [18]
36. Saladin/Arabia [15]
37. Seondeok/Korea [16]
40. Tamar/Georgia [30]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [31]
43. Trajan/Rome [19]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [15] (14+1) Possibly the most boring civ in the game (yes I even prefer playing Georgia over them) but that doesn’t mean they deserve this bad score at this point.

 

[TeddyMain]

3. Catherine/France [23]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [28]
8. Eleanor/France [5]
10. Dido/Phoenicia [27]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [25]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [24]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [15] (18-3) Other than some nice culture bonuses, Hojo and Japan doesn't have much going for them in the diplomacy race.
20. John Curtain/Australia [23]
21. Kristina/Sweden [35]
22. Kupe/Maori [25]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [28]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [31]
29. Pedro/Brazil [2]
30. Pericles/Greece [31]
31. Peter/Russia [18]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [22]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [23]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [18]
36. Saladin/Arabia [15]
37. Seondeok/Korea [16]
40. Tamar/Georgia [30]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [31]
43. Trajan/Rome [19]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [16] (15+1) Yeah, the favor they generate may be small, but Canada is still one of the only 3 civs that can actually generate favor independently. Besides, there are other civs far more deserving to be put down before good ol' Will (Indonesia, Arabia, Brazil, Scotland, Russia, Japan, the list goes on).

 

[SirMediocrity]

3. Catherine/France [23]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [28]
8. Eleanor/France [5]
10. Dido/Phoenicia [27]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [25]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [24]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [15]
20. John Curtain/Australia [23]
21. Kristina/Sweden [35]
22. Kupe/Maori [25]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [28]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [31]
29. Pedro/Brazil [2] (2-0) No practical bonuses. RIP.
30. Pericles/Greece [31]
31. Peter/Russia [18]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [22]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [23]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [18]
36. Saladin/Arabia [15]
37. Seondeok/Korea [16]
40. Tamar/Georgia [30]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [31]
43. Trajan/Rome [19]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [17] (16+1) Canada just really doesn't deserve to be eliminated right now. Can we move pass this stupid stalemate and get to the point?

 

[bengalryan9]

3. Catherine/France [23]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [28]
8. Eleanor/France [5]
10. Dido/Phoenicia [27]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [25]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [24]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [15]
20. John Curtain/Australia [23]
21. Kristina/Sweden [35]
22. Kupe/Maori [25]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [28]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [31]
30. Pericles/Greece [31]
31. Peter/Russia [18]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [22]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [23]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [18]
36. Saladin/Arabia [12] (15-3) I'd love to hear the justification behind why some of you think Arabia is better at DV than Canada outside of 1) "I really want to play a domination victory, but we're not doing that thread yet", or 2) "I really overvalue the impact of having a *slight* chance at building a wonder that gets me a whopping 2 DV points, but which I also might miss out on completely."
37. Seondeok/Korea [16]
40. Tamar/Georgia [30]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [31]
43. Trajan/Rome [19]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [18] (17+1) First off, nobody cares about the favor from tourism bonus, because it's pretty much insignificant. It's the favor from emergencies and competitions that you want, and I don't find these to be near as rare as some of you make them out to be. I also find it odd to allege that Canada needs save scumming to win DV points when the extra favor ensures they are one of the few civs in the game who can turn pretty much every vote in their favor *without* the need to save scum. Couple this with the fact that they are highly likely to have little-to-no grievances and they're set up well to succeed in a diplomatic game, and certainly moreso than civs that have literally no advantage in this whatsoever (and no, "I might possibly be able to build the DV wonders if I get really lucky and the AI completely ignores them" doesn't really count... which Canada can do as well as most of the civs left on this list anyways). Hell, I could even argue that Canada has a (small) sneaky advantage at founding a religion, because while every other civ is building units to stave off the inevitable surprise declaration from the AI Wilfred can just rush Holy Sites if he wants. Again, I don't think anybody is saying that Canada is the best at diplomatic victory, but some of you are arguing that he's not even top 20 in diplomatic victory and that's pretty ludicrous IMO.

Who cares about having enough favor to win the very last DV point vote when you can lose it and still win the game anyways? It's all the other points from all the other votes that matter, and having more favor will ALWAYS help with that (unless you're savescumming, at which case... good for you?). Can you predict which luxury the AI are randomly going to vote to prevent ameneties for? Can you predict who the AI is randomly going to choose to remove WMDs from when noone even has WMDs yet? Can you predict which city state bonus the AI is randomly going to vote to eliminate? With enough favor, you won't have to, and when Canada's getting hundreds extra from competitions and emergencies that's a huge leg up that some of you all are just shrugging off.

...and the funny thing is, Canada getting downvoted prematurely was predictable from the moment this thread started. We get it, you don't like Canada.

 

[Weraptor]

3. Catherine/France [23]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [28]
8. Eleanor/France [5]
10. Dido/Phoenicia [27]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [25]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [24]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [15]
20. John Curtain/Australia [23]
21. Kristina/Sweden [35]
22. Kupe/Maori [26] (25+1) Early game advantages, decent culture income and early exploration does help to some extent.
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [28]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [31]
30. Pericles/Greece [31]
31. Peter/Russia [15] (18-3) Hardcore religious civs just generate grievances from converting other civs.
33. Poundmaker/Cree [22]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [23]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [18]
36. Saladin/Arabia [12]
37. Seondeok/Korea [16]
40. Tamar/Georgia [30]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [31]
43. Trajan/Rome [19]
45. Wilfrid Laurier/Canada [18]

Geez, the amount of rants here is ludicrous. It's just a game, folks.