Discussion Thread what you think should be in the Constitution

[Alphawolf]

This thread is to help us the Founding Fathers know what you want in the Constitution.

No topic is too far off in left field; nothing about the Constitution is too strange to be posted here. Put your ideas here. All the Founding Fathers will be sure to read this.

There in a poll on month v. turn based terms in polls HERE.

Please help us is creating your constitution by posting here.

-the Wolf

 

[Pegasus_wings]

I liked that Roman type gov you posted in the election thread.

 

[Ginger_Ale]

Sorry, I think that will get too confusing. Let's stick with some plain English names.

I will try to come up with a list of things we need to discuss/poll (important/major ones) if I can.

 

[I am the Future]

My preamble idea, I know it is silly and un necesary, BUT


We the citizens of CivFanatics Center setup this constitution for the seventh DemoGame of this forum, the first of Civilization IV. We devote this game to the progresion of unity among the forum, the free spread of ideas and opinions, and the evolution of the game of Civilization. This constitution is here for the purpose of preserveing the ideas of the DemoGame and preserveing order in the democracy.

 

[RoboPig]

its not the seventh, more like 11th

 

[Cheetah]

I took a quick dive into the archives and checked the constitution I wrote for the ISDG.

I think something like these four articles would be the most important in a new constitution:

[B]Article A[/B]
The Democracy Game is a game we play to have fun, and all rules
and actions should be made with the intent of making the most fun
for all participants.

[B]Article B[/B]
All Civfanatics Forum users who register in the Citizen Registry
are citizens of Fanatica. Citizens have the right to assemble,
the right to free movement, the right to free speech, the right to
a fair trial, the right to representation, the right to demand
satisfaction and the right to vote.

[B]Article C[/B]
Governing rules shall consist of this Constitution, such amendments
that shall follow and lower forms of law that may be implemented.
No rule shall be valid that contradicts the Constitution.
These rules may not contradict the rules and regulations of the
Civfanatics Forums. Moderators may veto any such rules.

[B]Article D[/B]
It is unlawful to play through actions, move troops, make deals or
take any other action that would change the state of the playing
game from that of the saved game.

Also, don't forget to outline how the constitution and laws are to be changed.

Spoiler From the ISDG Constitution :

[B]Article K[/B]
A majority of the active Assembly shall be required to amend
the Constitution.
 §1. The average of the number of votes cast in each of the most
     recent contested elections shall constitute the active Assembly.
 §2. Polls to amend the Constitution must be open for a minimum of 72 hours.

[B]Article L[/B]
A majority of the votes in a poll lasting minimum 48 hours is required
to amend the Code of Laws.
 §1. The poll must also recieve a number of votes equal to or
     greater than half of the active Assembly.

And we may also need some rules in case some offices becomes vacant:

Spoiler From the ISDG Constitution :

[B]Article N[/B]
 §1. In the event a Consul or Justice of the Court takes a temporary leave
     of absence, the Official shall appoint a pro-tempore official to fill
     that position until the Official shall return.
       a. The pro-tempore official may be the Consuls deputy.
       b. The Official may empower another official or citizen to
          choose the pro-tempore official.
 §2. In the event an Official becomes vacant, a new Official shall be
     appointed.
       a. In the event the Consul of Internal Affairs becomes
          vacant, the Justice of the Court shall appoint a new citizen
          to fill the vacant position.
       b. In the event the Consul of Foreign Affairs or the Consul of
          Military Affairs becomes vacant, the Consul of Internal Affairs
          shall apoint a new citizen to fill the vacant position.
       c. If the position of Ambassador to any nation becomes
          vacant, the Consul of Foreign Affairs shall appoint a new citizen
          to fill the vacant position.
       d. If the position of Justice of the Court becomes vacant,
          the citizens shall elect a new Justice of the Court.
            1. There will be a 24 hour period where citizens can be nominated.
            2. After the nominations there will be a 48 hour poll to
               elect the Justice of the Court. A simple majority are needed.
 §3. Should the citizen filling the position of Consul of Internal Affairs
     become absent for a period of seven (7) days without prior
     notification to the nation, the Justice of the Court may remove that
     citizen from the office and appoint another citizen as the Consul.
 §4. Should citizens filling the positions of Consul of Foreign Affairs
     or Consul of Military Affairs become absent for a period of
     seven (7) days without prior notification to the nation,
     the Consul of Internal Affairs may remove that citizen from the
     office and appoint another citizen as the Consul.
 §5. Should citizens filling one of the Ambassadorial positions
     become absent for a period of seven (7) days without prior
     notification to the nation, the Consul of Foreign Affairs may remove
     that citizen from the office and appoint another citizen as the Ambassador.
 §6. All appointments must be approved by a citizen poll lasting 48
     hours. A simple majority is needed for ratification.
       a. The newly appointed official may act as the official of his office,
          from the time of his appointment and until the poll closes.

 

[Strider]

Before we actually starting making the constitution, it'll be a good move to figure out how were going to lay it out.

I propose the following:

Book of Laws:
Contains all of the "basic" laws, mostly the permanent ones. Like the government layout, elections, etc. Should be hard to amend (or change).

Book of Standards:
Contains all of the proedures and operating standards of the government (and the game itself). Basically it goes into further detail about everything in the Book of Laws. Should Explain the full election process, how turnchats (if we choose to have turnchats) work, etc. This shouldn't be easy to amend, but easier then the Book of Laws.

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Basically, the Book of Standards will allow us to change the way something works, without changing the game completely. However, the Book of Laws should contain all of the core ideas. Basically, if you wanted to convert from a Democracy to a Dictatorship, you'd have to amend the Book of Laws. However, if you just want to change the timeframe of election, amending the Book of Standards would be enough.

Other than the basic layout, it's far to early to be discussing what should be inside of the Constitution.