Disintegration of the right wing echo chamber

[Timsup2nothin]

I'm wondering if anyone has access to a relatively rational right winger and can do some research for me.

The two fake news sources I monitor to see what sort of feces the right wing are devouring for future regurgitation are Fox and Breitbarf. While they have at times disagreed on details, their main themes have always been pretty much lockstep, and have set the agenda for other right wing media outlets as well as shills everywhere. But they are skewing wildly divergent today.

On the pending government shutdown Breitbarf and their loyal followers are taking Trump's lead that it is the fault of congress, and acknowledging that congress is currently held by Republicans who "should be" just handing over the cash for Trump's peni...errrr, wall...on their way out. Faux News is not emphasizing the very real fact that Trump himself claimed ownership of the shutdown, and is trying to hold the usual line of "pin the blame on the Democrats," despite Trump and their fellow right wing propaganda source undercutting their position.

Breitbarf is also biting hard on the Trump version of "wag the dog," in which the controversy over tucking tail and running from Syria is supposed to serve as a distraction. Here too, Faux News is not cooperating. Their coverage of the distraction is ample, as intended, but they are actually being extremely savage towards Trump. They are focused on the divide between Republicans, led by Lindsey Graham who is outright calling the president a liar, and the Trump version of "the facts." That Trump is telling lies that are absurd on their face is of course nothing new, but it does not usually make the program on Fox.

This very matter of fact dismissal of the White House as an even remotely credible source is interesting, in that I don't see how it can play in the right wing echo chamber of "any news is fake news unless they agree with Trump." Obviously the Breitbarfers are beyond the reach of truth and will just dismiss Fox as having "gone into darkness," but with millions of people having taken Fox as gospel for a decade will they all just turn it off?

So, who knows a follower of the echo chamber and can sound them out?

 

[Broken_Erika]

Get ready for the #BoycottFoxNews movement!

 

[Phrossack]

They'll undoubtedly consult each other to resolve the discrepancy and the dogma will be up and running again, with viewers successfully persuaded that the disagreement never happened and was concocted by Hillary Soros ben Ghazi.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

They'll undoubtedly consult each other to resolve the discrepancy and the dogma will be up and running again, with viewers successfully persuaded that the disagreement never happened and was concocted by Hillary Soros ben Ghazi.

I don't recall either one of them ever backing off from anything, so that in itself would be noteworthy.

 

[Phrossack]

I don't recall either one of them ever backing off from anything, so that in itself would be noteworthy.

Have they ever been at loggerheads like this before? I'd mark it down to a miscommunication rather than a serious disagreement, since the Party has not had enough advance notice to instruct them on what they believe now.

 

[Cutlass]

Doesn't matter. Ultimately what their base wants is power. They don't have principles, other than that they want power. And they will throw away anything and everything in the grasp for that power. Truth doesn't matter. facts don't matter. The fact that they are required to change their lifelong principles 2-3 times a day don't matter. All that they care about is winning.

 

[Birdjaguar]

Today on Rush, he said that since the wall funding was unlikely, the next best things was a government shutdown. He also added that in the last 20 years during government shutdowns, the stock market went up. Rush also said that a shutdown was the only way left for Trump to come out a winner in this.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Doesn't matter. Ultimately what their base wants is power. They don't have principles, other than that they want power. And they will throw away anything and everything in the grasp for that power. Truth doesn't matter. facts don't matter. The fact that they are required to change their lifelong principles 2-3 times a day don't matter. All that they care about is winning.

It gets hard to win though when they aren't being told what the truth of the moment is by their reliable sources of propaganda.

Have they ever been at loggerheads like this before? I'd mark it down to a miscommunication rather than a serious disagreement, since the Party has not had enough advance notice to instruct them on what they believe now.

No, they really haven't. They sometimes diverge on details but not the main points.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Today on Rush, he said that since the wall funding was unlikely, the next best things was a government shutdown. He also added that in the last 20 years during government shutdowns, the stock market went up. Rush also said that a shutdown was the only way left for Trump to come out a winner in this.

And again we see the split. Faux News isn't on the "shutdown is good" bandwagon at all. Hannity and Carlson will be tonight, no doubt, but the contrast for followers of Faux News is going to be very stark. The key to keeping GOP supporters so grossly misinformed has always been consistency in the flavor of the BS they were being fed. I'm really wondering how this is playing out in the minds of the willfully mislead.

 

[Phrossack]

It gets hard to win though when they aren't being told what the truth of the moment is by their reliable sources of propaganda.



No, they really haven't. They sometimes diverge on details but not the main points.

That's why I think this is miscommunication rather than disagreement. Trump's withdrawal from Syria, rumored withdrawal from Afghanistan, and resignation of Mattis came so out of the blue that even the White House staff and the military were caught off guard. There hasn't been enough time for them to agree on which lie to tell, that's all. They'll get it figured out and choose the culprit soon enough.

 

[Broken_Erika]

They'll get it figured out and choose the culprit soon enough.

Hillary, Obama, Soros and Mr. Banghazi?

 

[Phrossack]

Hillary, Obama, Soros and Mr. Banghazi?

The infamous leftist rock band, Ben Ghazi and the Buttery Males

 

[Timsup2nothin]

That's why I think this is miscommunication rather than disagreement. Trump's withdrawal from Syria, rumored withdrawal from Afghanistan, and resignation of Mattis came so out of the blue that even the White House staff and the military were caught off guard. There hasn't been enough time for them to agree on which lie to tell, that's all. They'll get it figured out and choose the culprit soon enough.

That could be, but this does smack of a rebellion at Faux News. Coverage of Lindsey Graham calling Trump a liar has been pretty extensive, so much so that now Trump is attacking Graham. If Faux News turns the corner and starts following the standard GOP line as the truth while Brietbarf sticks with the Trump line as the truth the discord will echo very disruptively in the chamber. A divergence between the respective realities of the internet sourced right wingers and the TV sourced right wingers would be very problematic since the right wingers are already a minority group...even though neither Faux News nor Breitbarf is informing them of that little fact.


EDIT TO ADD:

LOLOLOL...is there anywhere other than the comments sections of Breitbarf where you can still find true believer birthers free ranging?

 

[Kaitzilla]

This very matter of fact dismissal of the White House as an even remotely credible source is interesting, in that I don't see how it can play in the right wing echo chamber of "any news is fake news unless they agree with Trump." Obviously the Breitbarfers are beyond the reach of truth and will just dismiss Fox as having "gone into darkness," but with millions of people having taken Fox as gospel for a decade will they all just turn it off?

So, who knows a follower of the echo chamber and can sound them out?

It is causing me a bit of mental pain yes.
First I read that former national security advisor Mike Flynn is owed an apology.
https://nypost.com/2018/12/18/mike-flynn-deserves-an-apology-and-other-commentary/

Then a few hours later, I'm reading that a federal judge came within an inch of calling Mike Flynn a traitor and asked the prosecution if they had considered adding on charges of treason.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...ory.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.68b88593c080

But Sullivan was having none of it. First, he required Flynn to acknowledge repeatedly that he accepted a guilty plea and took responsibility for making false statements. The judge then struck a potent blow for the rule of law.

“Not only did you lie to the FBI, you lied to senior officials in the incoming administration,” Sullivan told a startled Flynn. Beckoning to the flag, the judge continued: “All along, you were an unregistered agent of a foreign country while serving as the national security adviser to the president of the United States. Arguably, that undermines everything this flag over here stands for. Arguably, you sold your country out.”

Sullivan even asked whether Flynn’s behavior “rises to the level of treasonous activity. . . . Could he have been charged with treason?”

The chamber is quietly siding with Trump I'd say.
Unlike congressional republicans, he actually keeps most of his campaign promises.

This one is going around. (NPC meme dusted off)
If you humanize a dehumanizing image, it becomes ok.

 

[Patine]

I'm wondering if anyone has access to a relatively rational right winger and can do some research for me.

The two fake news sources I monitor to see what sort of feces the right wing are devouring for future regurgitation are Fox and Breitbarf. While they have at times disagreed on details, their main themes have always been pretty much lockstep, and have set the agenda for other right wing media outlets as well as shills everywhere. But they are skewing wildly divergent today.

On the pending government shutdown Breitbarf and their loyal followers are taking Trump's lead that it is the fault of congress, and acknowledging that congress is currently held by Republicans who "should be" just handing over the cash for Trump's peni...errrr, wall...on their way out. Faux News is not emphasizing the very real fact that Trump himself claimed ownership of the shutdown, and is trying to hold the usual line of "pin the blame on the Democrats," despite Trump and their fellow right wing propaganda source undercutting their position.

Breitbarf is also biting hard on the Trump version of "wag the dog," in which the controversy over tucking tail and running from Syria is supposed to serve as a distraction. Here too, Faux News is not cooperating. Their coverage of the distraction is ample, as intended, but they are actually being extremely savage towards Trump. They are focused on the divide between Republicans, led by Lindsey Graham who is outright calling the president a liar, and the Trump version of "the facts." That Trump is telling lies that are absurd on their face is of course nothing new, but it does not usually make the program on Fox.

This very matter of fact dismissal of the White House as an even remotely credible source is interesting, in that I don't see how it can play in the right wing echo chamber of "any news is fake news unless they agree with Trump." Obviously the Breitbarfers are beyond the reach of truth and will just dismiss Fox as having "gone into darkness," but with millions of people having taken Fox as gospel for a decade will they all just turn it off?

So, who knows a follower of the echo chamber and can sound them out?

The answer is simple. The Republican ideologues and propaganda engines do not have powerful and efficient censors on the media like Mussolini's National Fascist Union did, as of yet, and the message of disinformation, deception, and brainwashing is suffering indisciplined fracture.

 

[Old Hippy]

I'm wondering if anyone has access to a relatively rational right winger and can do some research for me.

The two fake news sources I monitor to see what sort of feces the right wing are devouring for future regurgitation are Fox and Breitbarf. While they have at times disagreed on details, their main themes have always been pretty much lockstep, and have set the agenda for other right wing media outlets as well as shills everywhere. But they are skewing wildly divergent today.

On the pending government shutdown Breitbarf and their loyal followers are taking Trump's lead that it is the fault of congress, and acknowledging that congress is currently held by Republicans who "should be" just handing over the cash for Trump's peni...errrr, wall...on their way out. Faux News is not emphasizing the very real fact that Trump himself claimed ownership of the shutdown, and is trying to hold the usual line of "pin the blame on the Democrats," despite Trump and their fellow right wing propaganda source undercutting their position.



So, who knows a follower of the echo chamber and can sound them out?

we can play this game all day... but its actually Christmas day here so I'll stick to the 3 ghosts of Christmas past..."
here is what is doing the rounds in regards to the senate wall shutdown

my favorite is... it brings a tear to my eye... laughter does that...

Promises made ... promises not kept?
'' A labour market that undermines the current labour market..."'
'' give them driving licences...''
'' THE QUESTION IS WHO IS GOING TO TACKLE THIS PROBLEM..." you should not ask questions you do not want to know the answer too ... mister Obama... people might tell you

 

[Arakhor]

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[Birdjaguar]

MSNBC just surpassed viewership at Fox news in key demographics