Disproving that which cannot be disproven, ever

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Here's something which is totally annoying.

"The biggest trick from Satan is that he convinced the world that he doesn't exist."

Or some similar crap.

So what am I or anyone else supposed to do with that? That means if I think Satan doesn't exist, then he tricked me into believing he doesn't exist. Isn't that just a completely hollow and empty argument? That clearly means, no matter what anyone thinks, Satan exists.
 
It's religion, stop trying to make senseof something when there is none.
 
It's a brilliant argument, since you can't disprove it. It's also not the kind of argument that's supposed to convert you. The sole purpose is for the believer to confirm his own belief in what he thinks is a clever retorical answer.
 
Can deduce anything to its consequent since the premise is not tangible.

No need to attempt to disprove something that is unfalsifiable, as unfalsifiable claims are useless and cannot lead to any amount of truth.
That is because it is unfalsifying.

Best you can do is ignore them. Maybe point and laugh?
Lauging at someone right now.:lol:

It's religion, stop trying to make senseof something when there is none.
Nope. It is just Phlegmak unoriginal speculation that is somewhat closely the same as Descartes.
 
Actually, the biggest trick that Satan pulled is convincing people that he does exist.
 
The biggest trick that pat robertson pulled is making you a christian.
 
Actually the line "the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was to convinve the world it didnt exist" serves a very clear purpose if you are a believer in god/devil.
It helps solidify, or represent in its entirety, the view that non-believers just lack that special ability that you have, and which has enabled you to realise that the devil exists.
Therefore it is part of a group of sayings that are used on a daily basis by many people, and have the meaning that they possess a sort of insight on something that others lack, and they are to be defined by this difference, when being compared to others.
Thus it is a saying that seeks not to convert, but merely to present an aphorism which would depict the state of difference between the believer and the non-believer.
(Obviously like any other phrase this too can be used with different meanings, but it is probable that its genesis is to be found entirely inside the theism/atheism debate)
 
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I'll just ask about the last part. What did Descartes say about something like this?
Just read Descartes's "Meditation"

You will find it quite similar to your own remarks in some degree.

That means if I think Satan doesn't exist, then he tricked me into believing he doesn't exist.

Blast you! for making me look for it.:mischief:

I will suppose, then, not that Deity, who is sovereignly good and the fountain of truth, but that some malignant demon, who is at once exceedingly potent and deceitful, has employed all his artifice to deceive me; t will suppose that the sky, the air, the earth, colors, figures, sounds, and all external things, are nothing better than the illusions of dreams, by means of which this being has laid snares for my credulity; I will consider myself as without hands, eyes, flesh, blood, or any of the senses, and as falsely believing that I am possessed of these; I will continue resolutely fixed in this belief, and if indeed by this means it be not in my power to arrive at the knowledge of truth, I shall at least do what is in my power, viz., [ suspend my judgment ], and guard with settled purpose against giving my assent to what is false, and being imposed upon by this deceiver, whatever be his power and artifice. But this undertaking is arduous, and a certain indolence insensibly leads me back to my ordinary course of life; and just as the captive, who, perchance, was enjoying in his dreams an imaginary liberty, when he begins to suspect that it is but a vision, dreads awakening, and conspires with the agreeable illusions that the deception may be prolonged; so I, of my own accord, fall back into the train of my former beliefs, and fear to arouse myself from my slumber, lest the time of laborious wakefulness that would succeed this quiet rest, in place of bringing any light of day, should prove inadequate to dispel the darkness that will arise from the difficulties that have now been raised.-Descartes
 
Here's something which is totally annoying.

"The biggest trick from Satan is that he convinced the world that he doesn't exist."

Or some similar crap.

So what am I or anyone else supposed to do with that? That means if I think Satan doesn't exist, then he tricked me into believing he doesn't exist. Isn't that just a completely hollow and empty argument? That clearly means, no matter what anyone thinks, Satan exists.
Just reply - "Nope, his best trick was convincing the world he is God."
 
Here's something which is totally annoying.

"The biggest trick from Satan is that he convinced the world that he doesn't exist."

Or some similar crap.

So what am I or anyone else supposed to do with that? That means if I think Satan doesn't exist, then he tricked me into believing he doesn't exist. Isn't that just a completely hollow and empty argument? That clearly means, no matter what anyone thinks, Satan exists.

Basically, we have absolutely no reason to believe anything else more than any other thing. The most basic reason is that reason cannot legitimize itself without committing fallacy. And even if we took the validity of reason to be axiomatic, the problem of induction pretty much pwns everything.

When you get down to it, and apply the most stringent skepticism possible, even science falls completely apart. There are a variety of things we just have to assume in order to function, even if we have no reason to.
 
How much totally original philosophical thought have you had?

Good question. I am still searchin for my own voice.

I will let you know if I come up with anything of my own or not.:crazyeye:

Basically, we have absolutely no reason to believe anything else more than any other thing. The most basic reason is that reason cannot legitimize itself without committing fallacy. And even if we took the validity of reason to be axiomatic, the problem of induction pretty much pwns everything.
Induction is a b!tch.(The Methodology of Natural Sciences.) That is why philosophy must not go beyond intangible (devil for instance) premises.
 
Here's something which is totally annoying.

"The biggest trick from Satan is that he convinced the world that he doesn't exist."

Or some similar crap.

So what am I or anyone else supposed to do with that? That means if I think Satan doesn't exist, then he tricked me into believing he doesn't exist. Isn't that just a completely hollow and empty argument? That clearly means, no matter what anyone thinks, Satan exists.

Its not hollow nor empty since Verbal Gynt said it.
 
Just read Descartes's "Meditation"

You will find it quite similar to your own remarks in some degree.



Blast you! for making me look for it.:mischief:
What you quoted from Descartes basically says:

This entire reality around us is not necessarily real but rather an illusion created by Satan. I'll just assume it's real though.

That doesn't have much to do with what I said in the opening post.

Its not hollow nor empty since Verbal Gynt said it.
Who the hell is Verbal Gynt? Google searching for "Verbal Gynt" (with quotes) returns 0 pages.

Basically, we have absolutely no reason to believe anything else more than any other thing. The most basic reason is that reason cannot legitimize itself without committing fallacy. And even if we took the validity of reason to be axiomatic, the problem of induction pretty much pwns everything.

When you get down to it, and apply the most stringent skepticism possible, even science falls completely apart. There are a variety of things we just have to assume in order to function, even if we have no reason to.
Are you trying to imitate another poster?

And what is it that you believe we have to assume in order to function?
 
What you quoted from Descartes basically says:

This entire reality around us is not necessarily real but rather an illusion created by Satan. I'll just assume it's real though.

That doesn't have much to do with what I said in the opening post.
Similar!

I take it back, you are totally original in all of your so contemplated threads.:lol:
 
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