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You didn't express it correctly then. You said "agnostic/atheist". This notation means both and.
Ok, well that's just bad grammar or whatever on my end. Sorry.
I think this post clears that up.
You didn't express it correctly then. You said "agnostic/atheist". This notation means both and.
No, I don't, I was not reffering specifically to the Christian paradigm. Prophets are in all religions, and I used "saint" in the meaning of "spiritually enlightened person", whatever the faith. I was just too lazy to write "or spiritually enlightened persons" after "saints", since it was evident in the context for me.This definition is extremely borderline. You refer to religion as if there is only the Christian religion out there. Get rid of saints and prophets and you have the real definition
I admit that that was a terribly leading questionI am agnostic.
If you know what is agnosticism, why did you even ask that question ?
How can you not know wether you believe in god? Belief in god is the belief that he exists and if you do not know wether he or any other god exists you do not believe in god. For the last time atheism does NOT require certainty that god does not exist, and if you define it otherwise, most atheists are no longer atheists to you.No. An agnostic would not answer no to the first question, but "I don't know".
You can be a so called agnostic atheist, but you are still atheist, and not agnostic.
Bad form in that post too. You wrote that agnostics believe that God exists but don't know for sure. That's incorrect: agnostics believe *you* (impersonal, humanity as whole) can't tell (it's not an opinion, it's a matter of fact) if God exists or not.
Wikipedia said:Per theism, an agnostic theist believes that the proposition at least one deity exists is true, but, per agnosticism, believes that the existence of gods are unknown or inherently unknowable.
How can you not know wether you believe in god?
For the last time atheism does NOT require certainty that god does not exist
and if you define it otherwise, most atheists are no longer atheists to you.
I think almost all self described atheists use the same definition as me though. And I still don't see the point for at least 90% of agnostics to distinguish themselves at all from atheists.
Being agnostic means you're refusing the so-called revealed wisdom, the one acquired by prophetic means. Religions where nobody claimed to be enlightened by a spiritual mean are of no concern for the agnostic, but you'd have a hard time finding one. Even most non-theist religions like Buddhism have at least one person who brought the knowledge of the faith to humans, and can be described as prophets in the wider sense. Where this person pulled his knowledge from is irrelevant at best, as long as he can't prove that he tells the truth.Prophets aren't in all religions.
Agnosticism is an intellectual reasonment. Atheism is a belief (or absence of belief if you define it that way).I still don't see the point for at least 90% of agnostics to distinguish themselves at all from atheists.
Atheists don't believe in the existence of god, and agnostics make no claim on knowing the truth of whether god exists one way or the other.
And again : there is no right or wrong definition of atheism, not believing or refusing to believe, there's only the definition you choose. Most believers will choose the first one, most agnostics will use the second one, but none is right or wrong, they just have different meanings for the same word. Anyone's claiming his definition is the right one is wrong until everyone accords on what atheism is really, which hasn't been done yet.
According to the first definition, agnostics are atheists. According to the second one, they're not. Both propositions are true inside their own reference framework.
You must have heard about a good number of gods. Jesusdude, Allah, zeus, odin, baal or just simple deism. Most of these have certain commands or rules that they say will improve your life or give you some kind of salvation. Why do you disregard them? Dont you Believe?How can you believe in something that you can't define ? Describe me God, and I tell you if I believe in it or not. "God" is a meaningless word, an agnostic can't tell you he believes in God or not. An agnostic believes in what can be proven, since the existance of God isn't proven, but at the same time the non existance of God isn't proven, I fail to see how the answer to that question could be yes or no.
yes, it does require it.
I don't define words. The vocabulary does an excellent job at it.
Most people describe the USSR as Russia, UK as England, and USA as America. This doesn't make them right though, they are still wrong.
Anyone's claiming his definition is the right one is wrong until everyone accords on what atheism is really, which hasn't been done yet.
And since most theists insist that their chosen deity is an absolute truth, it follows that most agnostics must be atheists, rather than theists.
Check out this page http://www.religioustolerance.org/atheist4.htm
There is no consensus in different dictionaries about the definition of atheists. But according to your definition Richard Dawkins himself isnt atheist.
You must have heard about a good number of gods. Jesusdude, Allah, zeus, odin, baal or just simple deism. Most of these have certain commands or rules that they say will improve your life or give you some kind of salvation. Why do you disregard them? Dont you Believe?
There is nothing between belief or nonbelief. You have not seen any evidence for any god existing and therefore do not believe in god. If you were to get evidence for the existence of god tomorrow your newfound belief would be in contrast to your previous nonbelief, even though you were open to new evidence or that god can exist but be unknowable and unprovable that doesn't change the fact that you lacked belief in the existence of some specific god untill you were given evidence and that nonbelief is called atheism.
While strong/weak atheism comes from Georges H. Smith's work on implicit/explicit atheism, others philosophers like Nagel reject, as I do, the definition of atheism being merely "absence of theism", and acknowledge only explicit atheism as true atheism.
Navarre said:Agnosticism is an intellectual reasonment. Atheism is a belief (or absence of belief if you define it that way).
Anyone's claiming his definition is the right one is wrong until everyone accords on what atheism is really, which hasn't been done yet.
Richard Dawkins was born more than 2 thousands years after the word atheist. Why should I care what is his definition of this word ?
Could you explain further? How can you not believe and at the same time not not believe? Even if you "dont know" that does mean that you do not believe and how you can not see that I don't understand.You are wrong, you confuse faith with belief.
Could you explain further? How can you not believe and at the same time not not believe? Even if you "dont know" that does mean that you do not believe and how you can not see that I don't understand.