Do Castles lose the +1 trade route bonus after Economics?

[VirusMonster]

I am confused what it means by "obsolete with Economics(except defensive bonus)". Can someone elaborate?

When you discover Economics what gets obsolete and what gets not?

 

[JujuLautre]

for buildings/wonders:
Culture and GPP never disappear
Building ability and other bonuses do disappear.

So for castle, at economics:
- you can't build anymore castle
- no trade route anymore
- defensive bonus is still here (because it's an exception), but remember it's obliviated by gunpowder units.
- culture (1 culture?) is still here

 

[Milly]

Also note that the percentage bonus for spy points (in BTS) is also obsoleted by Economics.

 

[VirusMonster]

Thank you for the answers =)

What about the Celtic UB? or the Spanish UB?

They have special abilities, if I can't build walls or castles, I will not be able to benefit from the special abilities, would I?

Say I did not built the spanish castle before economics, but I somehow wanted to build it after Economics. Can I still build it to get the siege experience bonus?

Same question would be for the Celtic UB? Can I still build walls after Rifling? If I cannot build walls after rifling, what happens with the walls I built earlier and the Celtic UB bonus? After Rifling in my cities with previously built walls, do my units still gain the UB "hills defense I" combat bonus?

 

[Tatran]

Also note that the percentage bonus for spy points (in BTS) is also obsoleted by Economics.

Are you sure?

 

[Milly]

I'll go check my cities in a bit. I'm pretty sure that percentage bonuses are obsoleted.

Edit: Yes, indeed, my castle's espionage bonus is gone.

I have Jail for +50% and Scotland Yard for +100%, and my total bonus to espionage points is +150%, not the +175% you'd expect from having a castle.

Edit 2: VirusMonster, once a building is obsoleted, you cannot build it again. The Spanish Citadel does indeed retain the siege unit experience point bonus, but I am not sure about the Celtics.

 

[JujuLautre]

Edit 2: VirusMonster, once a building is obsoleted, you cannot build it again. The Spanish Citadel does indeed retain the siege unit experience point bonus, but I am not sure about the Celtics.

Considering what I said before, I have to disagree with this sentence =)

I'll check that into WB

-- edit: after check, I conclude as I said: every bonus except GPP and culture is lost once a building is obsoleted.

 

[VirusMonster]

I am confused =) It would be nice if any of you could do a worldbuilder check on whether the Celtic UB retains the Guerilla I promotion after Rifling. Same question goes for Spanish Siege experience bonus after Economics as well.

I find it rather not fair that some UB cannot be built after discovery of certain technology.

So are you sure that after Economics I cannot build the Castle anymore for the Spanish Empire?

 

[slaze]

You get no guerilla promotion after rifiling, and no experience after economics.

 

[VirusMonster]

Thank you for the clarification.

What about the Zulu UB building or the Mongol UB building that replaces stable?

I was looking at 3.13 patch changes, it is saying something along the lines of Mongol UB getting obsolote after Advanced Flight, like "Barracks." I assume Barracks is the wrong choice, it should have been Stable. Barracks does not get obsolote right?

 

[slaze]

Barracks does not get obsolote right?

Correct, but the mongol building would

 

[JujuLautre]

yep; stables and ger are obsoleted by advances flight, not ikhanda or barracks.

I still stand what I said in my first post about what gets obsolete and what doesn't