Do I want Windows 10?

Most of it seems to involve Windows updates changing some part of the OS code causing programs and drivers that use that part of the code to stop working. Thus requiring said drivers and programs to be updated or reinstalled with an updated version. Never remember that happening with XP or Win7. And i worked at a computer store for over 12 years......Most of thew problems i had were with updates not installing properly, and having to hunt down drivers for devices from companies that no longer existed.(i.e. using vista drivers on a win7 computer, or tracking a device down by it's chipset. Astra32 rules!)

Yeah Windows 8+ really has far better compatibility for drivers than any previous version of Windows.

https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/b8/2012/07/25/simplifying-printing-in-windows-8/
 
All right, I'll pare it down to the most important two.

jonythunder 14 points 10 months ago

Not the guy above, but I had a client losing data from an application running in W10 (running in windows 7 compatibility mode) because when the system updated to anniversary it not only broke the compatibility of the application, it also nuked it's MS SQL databases because it corrupted them when restarting... in the 3 computers in the office.

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Shandlar 14 points 11 days ago

Yeah, it's so weird. Windows 10 is just not stable at all somehow. It's update procedures appear to corrupt data dramatically easier than any previous MS OS that I recall in the last 20 years of internet updates since Windows 2000.

I've never had my OS just flat out break where my GPU drivers started glitching to **** and steam games start crashing randomly on the new update until I reformat and reinstall from scratch. Windows can sometimes start acting a little glitchy and I'll buy a new HD and get a new install that way, but that was literally twice ever over 16 years.

In the 2.5 years of Windows 10 Pro, I'm already on my third scratch installation, and I swear it's already getting glitchy.

Besides those there were two or three mentions of soft bricking caused by Windows updates. And my mention of notifications is true, you can't disable them, which would not be a problem if they were MacOS notifications, you know, about your computer, or Android notifications, which I've had excessive experience with as an owner of three Androids, but they're ad and spam bullcrap which does absolutely nothing to enhance my experience or my awareness of my computer. Which MacOS and Android do succeed in.
 
The really fun ones were the customers who swore that they never used the machine until the day before and it wouldn't work. And when i booted it up it had every fake antivirus, antimalware, 70+ IE toolbars, 864 various icons on the desktop, every kind of malware and adware in existence and every porn site in existence on their favorites. Meanwhile the inside of the machine had 3 pounds of cat hair and what looked like dryer lint. Other machines had the whole case turned yellow and were all sticky from smoking....the boss was careful not to let me speak my mind to the customers.
 
All right, I'll pare it down to the most important two.



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Not really important. Anecdotes common to any OS/version of Windows.

Seriously, "broke my mysql database" is not a common method of Windows 10 failure.

For anecdotes, of my half-dozen Win10 installs that I manage outside of corporate setups, *none* of them have ever broken from an update, three of the six are still performing great since the initial release of Win10, and the other two are doing great since the PC purchase. (The sixth had an install hooped after some buggy developer software overwrote some critical system files.) Until last year I also had a laptop that shipped with Win8, and performed flawlessly with updates to Win8.1, and then Win10.

Besides those there were two or three mentions of soft bricking caused by Windows updates. And my mention of notifications is true, you can't disable them, which would not be a problem if they were MacOS notifications, you know, about your computer, or Android notifications, which I've had excessive experience with as an owner of three Androids, but they're ad and spam bullcrap which does absolutely nothing to enhance my experience or my awareness of my computer. Which MacOS and Android do succeed in.

Stop trying to use the term "brick". It's not applicable in the context of operating system problems, and makes you look like you don't know what you're talking about.

I don't get ad notifications on any of my win10 PCs. You must be doing something wrong. Seriously, I have never had an ad notification. If those were a thing, I'd immediately stop using Win10.
 
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It's not a method of failure, it's a symptom of failure. I have zero tolerance for other people's - supposed professionals - screwups impacting my work.


Stop trying to use the term "brick". It's not applicable in the context of operating system problems, and makes you look like you don't know what you're talking about.

A soft brick, is usually just when your phone is stuck in a bootloop, and as the name implies, is caused by a software error

I don't get ad notifications on any of my win10 PCs. You must be doing something wrong. Seriously, I have never had an ad notification. If those were a thing, I'd immediately stop using Win10.

I can't replicate it now, but it used to happen to me. I did go through an update or two before I blocked them, so it's probably something similar to what these guys are saying, which is what I fixed by stopping Microsoft from covertly changing my settings for me against my will.

AdmiralShnorkins

Except that doesn’t even work. I’ve had all notifications off for years, and now they just push them regardless

jumpiz 1 point 2 months ago

Yep, they push them all again on every new update. I have to change the settings every time.
 
It's not a method of failure, it's a symptom of failure. I have zero tolerance for other people's - supposed professionals - screwups impacting my work.

Not a win10 specific problem.

A soft brick, is usually just when your phone is stuck in a bootloop, and as the name implies, is caused by a software error

Not a term anybody uses. Stop trying.

I can't replicate it now, but it used to happen to me. I did go through an update or two before I blocked them, so it's probably something similar to what these guys are saying, which is what I fixed by stopping Microsoft from covertly changing my settings for me against my will.

Nope, was never a thing.

AdmiralShnorkins
Except that doesn’t even work. I’ve had all notifications off for years, and now they just push them regardless

jumpiz 1 point 2 months ago

Yep, they push them all again on every new update. I have to change the settings every time.

Blablabla anecdotes. Don't care, can find these for any OS.
 
ah well the latest win10 update did someone change my default audio device to headphones even though I had none plugged in. So my speakers weren't working. Only took me 30 seconds to fix it in control panel though. But for non tech people I can see how that would be frustrating.

It also messed up a couple desktop shortcuts, I have no idea how or why. Maybe windows defender thought they were viruses, but the target location said doesn't exist even though it did. I just remade them.
 
Zelig, what/when is the next version of Windows looking like?
 
ah well the latest win10 update did someone change my default audio device to headphones even though I had none plugged in. So my speakers weren't working. Only took me 30 seconds to fix it in control panel though. But for non tech people I can see how that would be frustrating.

It added a bunch of audio options to the new-style control panels, including some features new to Windows (per-app output selection), so not surprising that something may have got reset in that process. IIRC I saw something similar on one of my systems, where the default communication device got set differently than the default device for some reason.

Zelig, what/when is the next version of Windows looking like?

I've got better-than-even odds that Win10 is the last version of Windows.

Since Win10, Windows engineering efforts have been reorganized to delivering a major update to Windows every six months (of which they've delivered five so far.) There aren't really the development resources or organizational capacity to simultaneously develop a separate major update on a three-year cycle (like previous versions of Windows).

At this point, the original release of Windows 10 is closer to Windows 8.1 than it is to the current 1803 version of Windows 10.

edit: Also, Windows 10, with the Anniversary Update, *finally* achieved the "Windows NT everywhere" dream they'd been working on for the better part of two decades. Common kernel, and shared updates to mobile, desktop, server, IoT, xbox. They've since killed off mobile (but added full Windows 10 on ARM with x86 emulation! and ported SQL Server to Linux), and while Windows as a whole may have various issues, the flexibility and strength Windows NT is really a triumph of engineering.

https://arstechnica.com/information...-all-how-windows-everywhere-finally-happened/

I keep meaning to read Showstopper!
https://blog.codinghorror.com/showstopper/
 
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Really? You can find any OS that reverts all of your settings every six months and gives you no choice in the matter? Name one.
 
Win10 reverts your settings with every update, you said it updates every 6 months.
 
No, it does not.

In my experience, yes it does. I've updated twice, and both times all my custom settings were gone (including registry changes that were hard to find) and it filled my start menu up with craptastic games and stuff. But when windows 10 works (between updates) it works well.
 
It really doesn't.

Registry values aren't really user settings, they're internal OS settings - there's never been guarantee of registry settings being preserved between OS updates, minor or major, in any version of Windows. The appropriate place to set configuration which isn't in the regular control panel is as group policies, which do not get reset, and which have appropriate documentation about deprecation.

The installation of winstore spam to the start menu was awful, but hasn't been the case in years.
 
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I remember it doing such very well, it's why I blocked microsoft's IP addresses. I think I've mentioned this four times now. And I've quoted other people saying the exact same thing about four times also. And bob is chiming in. Consider the following: you're wrong.
 
April 7, 2017 https://www.tomshardware.com/news/creators-update-privacy-settings-upgrade,34093.html

When we installed the Creators Updateon April 5, however, we noticed that the Windows 10 Update Assistant reset all the privacy settings to their default values.

February 24, 2016: https://securityintelligence.com/ne...to-default-settings-causing-user-frustration/

Windows 10 performed a forced update to KB 3135173 on Feb. 9, resetting the default associations established on certain documents and making it impossible to change them back.

Apr 3, 2016 https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/1535835-win-10-update-resets-privacy-again

It is also the 4th time I have had to manually turn off all of the privacy settings that are on by default.

MAR 12, 2018 https://www.computerworld.com/artic...chines-specifically-set-to-block-updates.html

For the third time in the past four months, Microsoft 'accidentally' upgraded Win10 1703 machines to version 1709 in spite of explicit, correctly applied, deferral settings.
 
I ninja edited it. There's two fine examples from the past 13 months.
 
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