I occasionally play with my friend, whose favorite civ is the Maya. And he always seems to have the most influential religion. This is because he rushes Theology (so he can get the Long Count started ASAP), takes a Prophet as his first GP, and usually gets a GE like 6 or 7 turns later and rushes Borobudur. I know it's probably not a good idea for him to waste his GE on Borobudur, but I figure that even without wasting his GE on it, he could probably build it before anyone else anyways. Most people haven't founded a religion by the time they get Theology, and because the Maya have a shrine replacement that gives them +2 Science (and +2 faith instead of 1, which gives them even more of a religion advantage IMO), they can research slightly faster than most other civs and thus reach Theology even faster. Because of this, do you feel that there is any other civ that could possibly compete with the Maya, when it comes to founding a religion as early as possible and building the Borobudur? Ok, maybe the Celts could compete...but as far as I'm aware they're not that good anyways. BQ: Does Maya's Long Count start immediately upon Theology, or do you also have to be at a specific year/turn too before it starts.