In the religion vs. something threads the discussion in some posts have a tendency to end up in the: God" is not proven to exist, well God is not proven to not exist. But then someone can come along and say: yes god has proven himself, Jesus, miracles, the bible, read the bible and you have all your proofs you need. So I ask, well, if you see this as proof, and proof that holds up to you, so you feel it's proven, then do you have faith? The argument "god will not give you unquestionable proof that God exists because you need faith". But why will he not give it to me, as God at the same time gives it to you. It's like God don't want me that is stupid and can't draw the line between the dots and se that it is proven?