Do Puppet cities count as number for culture/polices and national improvements?

[Larsenex]

I am on a conqueroring path and wanted to annex some strategic cities. If I leave them as puppets do they still count as cities that increase my cost of culture needed for policies?


Thanks

 

[snarzberry]

If you puppet them immediately then they don't increase future policy costs. But if you annex a captured city, even for one turn, then it does increase policy costs and is irreversible.

 

[Larsenex]

Ah, ok so Ill leave them as puppets till I am ready to use them if I really need to.

 

[elprofesor]

Unless you annex them, no, they don't. You don't need them to build the requirements for national wonders either. It's one of the reasons warmongering is still the best path to follow right now: you get nearly all the benefits from extra cities, while not suffering some of the penalties (only penalty is the happiness, and maybe the diplo hit).
A city being razed counts as annexed while it exists; you can stop razing it if you want, and start again later. The only thing you can't do is pupet it once annexed.
EDIT: ninja'd.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

Unless you annex them, no, they don't. You don't need them to build the requirements for national wonders either. It's one of the reasons warmongering is still the best path to follow right now: you get nearly all the benefits from extra cities, while not suffering some of the penalties (only penalty is the happiness, and maybe the diplo hit).
A city being razed counts as annexed while it exists; you can stop razing it if you want, and start again later. The only thing you can't do is pupet it once annexed.
EDIT: ninja'd.

puppet cities build stupid stuff and warmongering very hard not overpower. puppet cities dont cont for stuff like you say though so ok to take them if you can beat overpowering defense city

 

[Jim Bro]

I am on a conqueroring path and wanted to annex some strategic cities. If I leave them as puppets do they still count as cities that increase my cost of culture needed for policies?


Thanks

NO. that's the only point in puppeting except to have lower unhappiness. also, if you annex cities, i think that you will more likely be considered a warmonger than if you puppet them but i'm not sure.

 

[vexing]

also, if you annex cities, i think that you will more likely be considered a warmonger than if you puppet them but i'm not sure.

nope, they just add extra unhappiness (until courthouse is built - then they add more happiness than puppets)

puppets don't have to build the things for the national wonders, but they do increase the build costs of them.

 

[CYZ]

Does the policy cost go down as you raze annexed cities, or lose your own cities?

 

[4blood]

policy cost does not go down as you raze cities.
but the policy cost depend on your maximum number of cities, not the number of different cities u had.

so if u captured a lot of cities in a war and u want to raze them without raising your policy cost - you need to start razing just one and wait till its gone and only then move to the next one.

 

[CYZ]

policy cost does not go down as you raze cities.
but the policy cost depend on your maximum number of cities, not the number of different cities u had.

so if u captured a lot of cities in a war and u want to raze them without raising your policy cost - you need to start razing just one and wait till its gone and only then move to the next one.

So if you have three of your own cities and are also razing two other cities at the same time policy cost is calculated as if you have 5 cities. So if you settle 2 more after razing the other 2 you do not increase policy cost?

 

[TheMeInTeam]

So if you have three of your own cities and are also razing two other cities at the same time policy cost is calculated as if you have 5 cities. So if you settle 2 more after razing the other 2 you do not increase policy cost?

stays at 5 until annexed/settled total goes over 5

 

[elprofesor]

That's something I didn't know. I thought it went down as you razed them. Weird...

Thanks for sharing 4blood and TMIT.

 

[vexing]

That's something I didn't know. I thought it went down as you razed them. Weird...

that's how it was originally. they changed it because with policy saving you could:
found 100 cities
earn however much culture without buying any policies
sell all the cities but your capital to the ai and buy your 30 policies.