Do the French allway start near Wine?

[Kinniken]

Well, "allway" is a bit of an exageration, but after something like 30 starts it looks like France start near grapes 50% of the time I also get the feeling the Zulus get Ivory more often than they should...
Is it just luck, or is it an "easter egg"? Or is it mentioned somewhere in the manual?

 

[Black Fluffy Lion]

don't think it's an egg, the resources and civs are randomly placed...probably just coincidence

 

[Kinniken]

Well... around 15 times out of thirty is statisticaly significant... I'll try starting ten games with french tonight and see how many time I find myself near wine.

 

[eyrei]

The Romans are the same.

 

[No.Dice]

More often than not i see Paris with like six or so wine icons. Drunken spearmen are easy to topple and i usually control Paris by dawn. Seeing double can be quite intimidating during siege.

 

[sealman]

Originally posted by No.Dice
More often than not i see Paris with like six or so wine icons. Drunken spearmen are easy to topple and i usually control Paris by dawn. Seeing double can be quite intimidating during siege.

If you want to attach this to your study, The mighty Iroquios armies have been at war with the French for some time and we captured Paris many turns ago. No wine.

 

[Genuis]

Interesting. I think the Russians and Americans might get furs more often too. I will try another experiment, we'll compare results later. You might have to have the age of the world be at 3 billion instead of 4 or 5 because then the luxuries start out in clusters.

 

[Benjamin Miller]

I've noticed this phenomenon before too. The French do seem to start near wine quite a bit, the Zulu near ivory, the Americans near fur. I'm pretty sure it is on purpose, as it seems to happen at least 50% for me too. Pretty odd coincidence if so many of us notice it.

 

[napoleon526]

I just realized that I've had this happen to me, too. As the Indians in my latest game, I started near spices and silks!

 

[Hurricane]

I have noticed that the Indians often start in a place with no horses. I used to think "lucky their UU (Elephant) doesn´t need Horses", but this might well be on purpose.

 

[Mapache]

In my last game the French had wines, close to Paris. I was playing Egypt and had dyes.
If India doesn't get horses then better not to choose them. They get plenty of cows, though.

 

[Rich]

Persians always start as far away to any natural resource as is possible but always up some rival civs @#$*.

 

[Black Fluffy Lion]

Originally posted by Genuis
Interesting. I think the Russians and Americans might get furs more often too. I will try another experiment, we'll compare results later. You might have to have the age of the world be at 3 billion instead of 4 or 5 because then the luxuries start out in clusters.

yes...I have noticed the Americans always by furs. Maybe it isn't just coincidence.

Firaxis, care to shed some light on this?? Is is an egg??

 

[Panda]

Originally posted by Hurricane
I have noticed that the Indians often start in a place with no horses. I used to think "lucky their UU (Elephant) doesn´t need Horses", but this might well be on purpose.

That's the situation in my current game as well The closest horse is 30+ squares away from my capital (playing on a huge map)

 

[Benjamin Miller]

It appears, due to all of us reporting it, that this has all but been proven. Interesting. I wonder what other "undocumented features" there are in the game.

 

[Jersey Joe]

India with ivory, with all those elephants you would think that ivory would be there for the taking.
Also, shoudn't the Zulu get gems (deBeers diamond mines).

What about silk and spices in China and Japan?

I think I will start several games tonight and use the multi.sav feature to see what luxury each civ starts with.

 

[slashing]

There is another possibility. The luxuries and resources could be associated with the type of environment, some might be associated with temperate hills, tropical jungles etc. and the same might also be true of civilization starting locations. Americans might always start in or near temperate forests, whilst French would be on temperate grasslands.

 

[Kinniken]

Don't think so... there is certainly an association between land/resources (mentioned in the Civilopedia BTW), but I doubt there is one between Civs and a perticular type of land.
I've never seen the Germans start near wine, yet they are usualy near France.

 

[royfurr]

Well, it might be so, I cannot say I've seen it in 15 out of 30 plays as I don't usually reload and havn't played 30 games, but ...

There is likely, at least partially, a major probabliltiy component to the distribution of who has what and how much. PLus, it may also depend on the grouping of civs present.

In my current game, there were originally 8 civs. I am the chinese. The French DO NOT have wine ... *I* have 6 tiles of it (All on hills). DO have silk but no incense.

Both the French and the Babylonians had dyes, 3 each. The English have ALL of the furs AND the gems, on a continent to themselfs from the git-go. The IRoquois have all the incense, and all of the spices. They may have gotten some of their hoard from the Indians whom they conquered before I made contact with them.

The Egyptians and the Greeks had the ivory split between them.

 

[kundor]

Just seeing the topic of this thread made me laugh. The very idea is hilarious.

Has anyone checked to see if changing "culturally linked starting positions" has any effect on this?