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Do you agree that Japan should never have a military again, EVER?

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Airstrike92, Jul 2, 2010.

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Should Japan ever be allowed to have a military again?

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  2. No

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  1. innonimatu

    innonimatu Warlord

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    What people now call "peacekeeping" is invading countries, just doing so with a convenient excuse which can be easily sold to the public at large.
     
  2. Terxpahseyton

    Terxpahseyton How much Parmesan to put on your umbrella?

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    If it is an excuse, what do you think is the real reason behind the peacekeeping-mission in Congo?
    Not if conducting it under the terms of traditional peacekeeping. Which also brings a very low risks to soldiers.
    If actually trying to enforce peace, I agree that the shortcomings of the UN and the non-existence of finale success in those cases makes cannon fodder out of the soldiers.
     
  3. Enkidu Warrior

    Enkidu Warrior Ultramagnetic

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    Ignoring the fact that by any measure Japan already has an outrageously overfunded modern military, no they should not. The status quo suits Japan just fine. As long as the US wants to spend all of its money playing world hegemon the rest of us should at least benefit from the money saved on offensive military forces. The restrictions placed on Japan (such as they are) are very much enjoyed by the Japanese, and very few would like to see them lifted.
     
  4. Brownsfan02

    Brownsfan02 WWII Buff

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    should they be allowed to? yes
    should they be allowed to use it? no
     
  5. Tee Kay

    Tee Kay Just a passenger

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    Ensuring adequate access to the vast mineral deposits by foreigners?
     
  6. amadeus

    amadeus めっちゃしんどい

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    It's cheaper just to buy off a few warlords.
     
  7. h4ppy

    h4ppy You sir, pineapple?

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    In most modern day missions, yes. But when the term was first invented it usually meant that the UN would move their forces between the two fighting countries' armies, usually with the permission of both sides. It really was keeping the peace instead of fighting war with an international mandate.
     
  8. Glassfan

    Glassfan Mostly harmless

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    An interesting point about plutonium. During the Manhattan Project in WW II, the project leaders didn't know which of three technologies would be successful - magnetic gas diffusion or centripetal separation of uranium, or plutonium breeding - so they tried all three. Of the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki in August, 1945, I seem to recall that one was enriched uranium 235 and the other was man-made plutonium (Richard Rhodes; The Making of the Atom Bomb). Breeder reactors are a higher, more expensive and more scientifically challenging technology. But you're right, plutonium is already weapons grade material. And while Japan may decline to build fission bombs in peacetime, they certainly have the moxie to slap strategic weapons together on short notice if threatened.
     
  9. Mustakrakish

    Mustakrakish In 'Node' We Trust

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    The thread name and poll options... [pissed] Luckily I chose what I intended.
     
  10. Yared

    Yared That Guy

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    Yes :mad:
     
  11. Terxpahseyton

    Terxpahseyton How much Parmesan to put on your umbrella?

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    This. While the UN fights the warlords, several countries including all members of the security council have "business relations" with them.
    Thus even though the Congolese mineral deposits are of great interest, those interests are hardly protected by the UN forces.
     
  12. The Imp

    The Imp Kinslayer

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    It has a military, just not a de jure one.
     
  13. Enkidu Warrior

    Enkidu Warrior Ultramagnetic

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    Indeed. Japan is one of several 'virtual nuclear powers'. This appears to be a rather attractive doctrine if you're not aiming for MAD levels of deterrence. It's very likely what the US is trying to avoid with the likes of Iran, since even a virtual nuclear power has a measure of deterrence from conventional attack. It's a bit awkward since the NPT rather specifically allows signatories to develop a civilian nuclear programme that would, without any duplicity, double quite well as a virtual nuclear arsenal if the need and/or motivation arose.
     
  14. Ahovking

    Ahovking Cyber Nations

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    lol if you look at their Police it is a military they have @#$% tank....WHAT POLICE FORCE HAVE TANKS COME ON
     
  15. Enkidu Warrior

    Enkidu Warrior Ultramagnetic

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    The Japanese police have tanks? You learn something new every day.
     
  16. Tee Kay

    Tee Kay Just a passenger

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    Source please.

    Something other than EU Times
     
  17. Yared

    Yared That Guy

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    I think he means Iran.
     
  18. Cheetah

    Cheetah Chieftain

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    You actually have to ask? :lol: :clap:



    :spear:

    If anyone is actually confused: This is Texan police during the operation against that Mormon-descended sect a few years ago.
     

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    Ahovking Cyber Nations

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    that not an tank but an armed transport vehicle
     

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