Do you agree with this statment?

[Eukaryote]

This is something I belive in this:

Left wing to the extreme is Totaltarianism. Right wing to the extreme is Anarchy. In both systems the people are oppresed by those who have power.


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I belive in this because right wing usally means the goverment has less power and interferes with peoples lives less. And left wing means the goverment does more. The people in power in Anarchy are suppoed to be crime lords and heads of buisnesses becuase without a goverment to police them they grab all the power.


Do you agree?

 

[Tycoon101]

This is something I belive in this:

Left wing to the extreme is Totaltarianism. Right wing to the extreme is Anarchy. In both systems the people are oppresed by those who have power.

I suppose that those are the two MOST extreme things. I disagree with Anarchy however, so I'm not the most extreme Conservative out there.

 

[tomsnowman123]

I think politics are too complex to make a simple statement like that. For instance, in the US, far left economics is communism, while far left on social issues is anarchy. Far right on ecomics is neo-liberalism, while far right on social issues is authoritarianism.

For example, however, I am far left on both issues, and support an anarchy. Speaking of which, how is anarchy oppressive?

 

[Perfection]

Trying to add more than vague generalities to the terms left and right is bound to get one in trouble.

Get off the political line and think multidimensionally.

 

[Masquerouge]

Dude, how can you be oppressed by those in power in an anarchy, when by definition anarchy means no power?
So I guess I strongly disagree.

 

[Eran of Arcadia]

I do think that either wing at its extremes are both tyrannical and become hard to distinguish. But there are very few that far out; that's why it is silly when those on one side hurl cries of "fascist" or "commie" at each other. I am closer to most of those on the left than any that far right.

 

[Eukaryote]

Dude, how can you be oppressed by those in power in an anarchy, when by definition anarchy means no power?
So I guess I strongly disagree.

In anarchy, the people who have power are those in charge of crime rings and corporations, set free their greed trumps their ethics.

 

[tomsnowman123]

In anarchy, the people who have power are those in charge of crime rings and corporations, set free their greed trumps their ethics.

Anarchy is the "absence of any form of political authority."

 

[Masquerouge]

In anarchy, the people who have power are those in charge of crime rings and corporations, set free their greed trumps their ethics.

That's totally wrong. That's a corrupted vision of anarchy. You're mixing the political term with the common term that's used to describe chaos.

True anarchy is when everyone is responsible enough so that a governing body is no longer necessary. As you can see, mankind is not yet ready for that state

 

[.Shane.]

Politics is not linear.

TBH, the more to the extremes you get, left and right, the more similar they become.

 

[ComradeDavo]

This is something I belive in this:

Left wing to the extreme is Totaltarianism. Right wing to the extreme is Anarchy. In both systems the people are oppresed by those who have power.

Do you agree?

I don't agree, because thats only looking at economic issues. You need to take into account government style, control/regulation in regards to sex/drugs/marriage and so forth.

Extreme left-wing could be 2 things - it could be a case where communism is forced upon everyone with an iron hand, ala Lenin and Stalin. But if you take left-wing to also mean democratic and social freedoms, then you could say it was extremly left-wing to have an absolute democracy where people voted to share the wealth and took votes on every descion and so forth.

It's extremly right-wing to have no taxes and minimal government, but it is also extremely right-wing to have an all powerful government that controls peoples daily lifes.

The terms can't be properly used with description of government style and more info.

 

[tomsnowman123]

Extreme left-wing could be 2 things - it could be a case where communism is forced upon everyone with an iron hand, ala Lenin and Stalin. But if you take left-wing to also mean democratic and social freedoms, then you could say it was extremly left-wing to have an absolute democracy where people voted to share the wealth and took votes on every descion and so forth.

It's extremly right-wing to have no taxes and minimal government, but it is also extremely right-wing to have an all powerful government that controls peoples daily lifes.

The terms can't be properly used with description of government style and more info.

Got ya covered.

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[Cheezy the Wiz]

This is something I belive in this:

Left wing to the extreme is Totaltarianism. Right wing to the extreme is Anarchy. In both systems the people are oppresed by those who have power.


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I belive in this because right wing usally means the goverment has less power and interferes with peoples lives less. And left wing means the goverment does more. The people in power in Anarchy are suppoed to be crime lords and heads of buisnesses becuase without a goverment to police them they grab all the power.


Do you agree?

I think you've got it wrong, totalitarianismand anrachy are independent of politcal affiliation. There is a politcal scale thread somewhere here in OT (I'm sure Perf can find it) that places you on a cartesian (sp?) plane, with the vertical axis ranging from libertarianism (-10) to authoritarianism(10) and the horizontal from Liberal(-10) to Conservative (10). When you see that, you'll better understand what I mean.

 

[Fugitive Sisyphus]

I think you've got it wrong, totalitarianismand anrachy are independent of politcal affiliation. There is a politcal scale thread somewhere here in OT (I'm sure Perf can find it) that places you on a cartesian (sp?) plane, with the vertical axis ranging from libertarianism (-10) to authoritarianism(10) and the horizontal from Liberal(-10) to Conservative (10). When you see that, you'll better understand what I mean.

A free market person who believes in social freedom is -10x - 10y
A free market person who believes government should enforce morals is -10x + 10y
A communist who believes in social freedom is 10x - 10y
A communist who believs government should enforce morals is 10x + 10y

And an anarchist is -10 - 10i

 

[Tulkas12]

That's totally wrong. That's a corrupted vision of anarchy. You're mixing the political term with the common term that's used to describe chaos.

True anarchy is when everyone is responsible enough so that a governing body is no longer necessary. As you can see, mankind is not yet ready for that state

Mankind will never be ready for this state, we would no longer be mankind if this state was possible. Vulcans might have been able to do it, but as man the first result of anarchy is a power source taking control anyways.

This falls into the natural errors/flaws of communism, they do not take into account man's desires and wills. To me there is nothing more flawed then an idea that, although good on paper, is fundamentally flawed.

 

[Masquerouge]

Mankind will never be ready for this state, we would no longer be mankind if this state was possible. Vulcans might have been able to do it, but as man the first result of anarchy is a power source taking control anyways.

This falls into the natural errors/flaws of communism, they do not take into account man's desires and wills. To me there is nothing more flawed then an idea that, although good on paper, is fundamentally flawed.

That might be true, but just because communism and anarchy are ideals does not mean you can abuse the term and say anarchy is the rule of the mob, for instance

 

[GoodSarmatian]

This is something I belive in this:

Left wing to the extreme is Totaltarianism. Right wing to the extreme is Anarchy. In both systems the people are oppresed by those who have power.

This might be the American point of view.
In Europe right wing is associated with conservatism and sometimess with nationalism/racism. Extreme right-wing means fascism which is definitely totalitarian in nature, while left-wing is considered tending towards socialism (higher taxes, welfare) economically, but it means also minimum involvement of the state in one's "personal" affairs (sexuality, media, drugs,...) and anarchists are considered left-wing.
However I totally agree with Shane, the more extreme they are, the more similar they become.

 

[Richard Cribb]

This is something I belive in this:

Left wing to the extreme is Totaltarianism. Right wing to the extreme is Anarchy. In both systems the people are oppresed by those who have power.

No I don't don't. Anarchism is a left-wing ideology, and please note that by this I mean the real anarchism; the one of people like Bakunin, Kropotkin,Malatesta, Goldman and Rocker, and not bogus anarchy.

I belive in this because right wing usally means the goverment has less power and interferes with peoples lives less.

Not necessarily. Besides it usually also means more power to the possessing classes, which in our time means first and foremost corporations.
I think it is more correct to say that the right stands for inequality and privileges, and the left equality and solidarity.

And left wing means the goverment does more.

It is not clear to me what you mean with left wing here.

Do you agree?

No.

tomsnowman123Anarchy is the "absence of any form of political authority."

I would rather say anarchy is the absence of hierarchies.
True anarchists want to abolish both the state and private property.

 

[tomsnowman123]

I would rather say anarchy is the absence of hierarchies.
True anarchists want to abolish both the state and private property.

I think hierarchies would be considered political authority in my book, but that's really semantics. We're on the same page.

 

[JtheJackal]

When I think of extreme right wing governments I think of Taliban's Afganhistan or post-revolution Iran. These governments are the exact opposite of what you say an extreme right wing government is like