Provolution
Sage of Quatronia
Do you approve of the appointment of Donsig as Vice President as valid
Options
Yes
No
Abstain
Private Poll, 48 hours.
Options
Yes
No
Abstain
Private Poll, 48 hours.
DaveShack said:I am pleased to announce the appointment of Donsig as Vice President.
To all the candidates, thank you very much for your interest in this position. It was a very difficult choice, I started writing this post several different times, and had written in each of the candidates at one point or another.
b. Should an official fail to post in the DG forum for 3 days in
a thread related to their area without prior notice, the
Judiciary may declare that office Vacant.
2. Vacant Offices
a. An official or Justice may declare themselves to be Absent for
a period of time. This period may not exceed 1 week. During
this time, the deputy or pro-tem will act with all power and
duties of that office, surrendering them to the official or
Justice when they return or at the end of the planned absence,
whichever comes first.
2. Confirmation Polls
a. Confirmation polls are used in certain, specified situations
to challenge the decision of an elected official. Confirmation
polls may be used only when explicitly allowed by law. Any
citizen may create a confirmation poll, should one not already
exist. This poll must be created within 24 hours of the
appointment or decision, and ask the question "Do you approve of the
<description of decision>?", with Yes, No and Abstain option.
If the confirmation poll directly concerns a citizen (e.g.
appointment), this poll is to be private, as it is a form of an
election. The poll will run for 2 days. At the end of the time,
if a majority of the citizens vote "No", the decision is
overturned. Any other result approves the decision.
C. Deputies and Vacancies
1. Deputies
For all positions with deputies, the leader may appoint the
citizen of their choice as their deputy.
2. Vacant Offices
a. An official or Justice may declare themselves to be Absent for
a period of time. This period may not exceed 1 week. During
this time, the deputy or pro-tem will act with all power and
duties of that office, surrendering them to the official or
Justice when they return or at the end of the planned absence,
whichever comes first.
b. Should an official fail to post in the DG forum for 3 days in
a thread related to their area without prior notice, the
Judiciary may declare that office Vacant.
c. If a Justice has not posted on any active Judicial matter for
three days, the remaining Justices may declare the Justice
Vacant. If all three Justices fail to post on any active
Judicial matter for 3 days, the President may declare all
Judicial offices Vacant, and immediately appoint a new Chief
Justice.
Fair citizens, this situation could be one of several things.
- A simple oversight on donsig's part (not registering). Once he registers the point is no longer valid.
- An invalid use of the approval poll mechanism, because the initial time period after the appointment when approval polls are valid has passed.
- An invalid use of an approval poll, because the relevant law has not been ratified.
In the demogame we don't deny people the ability to serve our society due to bookkeeping errors. We don't selectively ignore part of a law because we don't agree with it, and we don't rely on unratified laws just because they do what we want.
You should make your decision on whether you want Donsig to be Vice President. There are already other mechanisms in place to withdraw the appointment if the citizenship requirement is not met in a timely manner.
- A simple oversight on donsig's part (not registering). Once he registers the point is no longer valid.
- An invalid use of the approval poll mechanism, because the initial time period after the appointment when approval polls are valid has passed.
- An invalid use of an approval poll, because the relevant law has not been ratified.
In the demogame we don't deny people the ability to serve our society due to bookkeeping errors. We don't selectively ignore part of a law because we don't agree with it, and we don't rely on unratified laws just because they do what we want.
You should make your decision on whether you want Donsig to be Vice President. There are already other mechanisms in place to withdraw the appointment if the citizenship requirement is not met in a timely manner.
Ashburnham said:I would also like to add, Provo, that attacking the Judiciary for not handling your request as quickly as you'd like is no way to win friends. Additionally, the language you've used to describe your case against Donsig and DS has been far too negative and accusatory for my tastes. I regret using the phrase "pro-Donsig" in the earlier paragraph, because that would imply that others are "anti-Donsig", and that's really not what this is about. This is about ensuring that the Demogame remains an open forum, where citizens can voice their opinions, make decisions, and run for office based on their own merit and not their "veteran" status.
2. Confirmation Polls
a. Confirmation polls are used in certain, specified situations
to challenge the decision of an elected official. Confirmation
polls may be used only when explicitly allowed by law. Any
citizen may create a confirmation poll, should one not already
exist. This poll must be created within 24 hours of the
appointment or decision, and ask the question "Do you approve of the
<description of decision>?", with Yes, No and Abstain option.
If the confirmation poll directly concerns a citizen (e.g.
appointment), this poll is to be private, as it is a form of an
election. The poll will run for 2 days. At the end of the time,
if a majority of the citizens vote "No", the decision is
overturned. Any other result approves the decision.
Daveshack On the legality of the appointment, we have had cases of nominations being accepted by non-registered people, and typically the problem is resolved by having that person register. Nominations have to be explicitly accepte in public. Likewise this same principle should be used for appointments. I will set a 24 hour time for donsig to register and accept the appointment, after which the appointment must be assumed to be unaccepted, and a new candidate will be chosen.
There were three candidates who applied via PM. The choice was a very difficult one because all three are unable to serve as DP at present (don't have Conquests) and have somewhat similar interests. I had written draft appointment announcements for all three at various times. I finally decided on donsig because his interest in making sure that citizens have full information in the forum coincided with one of the things I was hoping a vice president could do.
Provolution, you had a better mechanism of challenging this appointment at your disposal. Just post an approval poll "do you approve of this appointment Y/N/A?", private, and 48 hour duration.
As a matter of fact. Donsig actualy registered himself.Rik Meleet said:It will be valid the second Donsig registers.