Do you bike in the city?

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We have had general discussion on cars in this forums, and electric vehicles, but I want to use this thread to specifically address a point that is counterintuitive to a lot of people; that is, sometimes, slower personal vehicles are faster than faster personal vehicles. And I want to know who amongst us frequently uses bikes or e-bikes in an urban environments. What is the bike infrastructure where you live, for instance? Can you go faster than local car drivers?

This speed differential is often most apparent in urban environments, where traffic can become congested and move slowly. A bike can much more deftly move through space. If you have ever seen a cyclist bypass snarled traffic, you know there are fewer better feelings in the world.

Even police cars - built to be fast and afforded road use that no other civilians are allowed - can struggle to move through populated cities at the speed of bikes. See:


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Not to mention the obvious benefits of being a much more environmentally friendly form of transport.

So I open the floor;
Do you bike in an urban locale? Manual or e-bike? Is it safe? Is your city working to accommodate bikes and buses as many US cities are finally starting to do? Could you outrun police if you assassinated a morally bankrupt CEO? Please discuss!
 
I do bike in the city, not as a means of going from A->B but a necessity as part of recreational rides (to get out to nicer roads / trails). Generally it feels pretty safe, but I’m not faster than traffic unless it’s unusually snarled up.
 
I'm just amused by the thought of a murderer who is motivated by concerns of environmental friendliness.

My more serious answer to your question is also of no real use to you: I don't bike. Sadly.
 
I bike when I'm fit but right now I'm fat. I love cycling on road bikes in the city. My city has plenty of cycle routes, it's not dangerous at all. However in the country where I am now the only cycle route is littered with stones which would puncture my tyres.

I look forward to moving back to the city and cycling again. Speed doesn't really matter to me I just love the freedom of biking. I think the cars go faster than me, the traffic isn't that bad.
 
We have had general discussion on cars in this forums, and electric vehicles, but I want to use this thread to specifically address a point that is counterintuitive to a lot of people; that is, sometimes, slower personal vehicles are faster than faster personal vehicles. And I want to know who amongst us frequently uses bikes or e-bikes in an urban environments. What is the bike infrastructure where you live, for instance? Can you go faster than local car drivers?

This speed differential is often most apparent in urban environments, where traffic can become congested and move slowly. A bike can much more deftly move through space. If you have ever seen a cyclist bypass snarled traffic, you know there are fewer better feelings in the world.

Even police cars - built to be fast and afforded road use that no other civilians are allowed - can struggle to move through populated cities at the speed of bikes. See:


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Not to mention the obvious benefits of being a much more environmentally friendly form of transport.

So I open the floor;
Do you bike in an urban locale? Manual or e-bike? Is it safe? Is your city working to accommodate bikes and buses as many US cities are finally starting to do? Could you outrun police if you assassinated a morally bankrupt CEO? Please discuss!
I ride everywhere. Mostly state routes, because I live in the country. 60 mile round trips regularly.

It's sorta safe. There is a bull who really doesn't like me, and remembers me, but the alternative route is congested with freight traffic heavily. One day, he will pile through the poorly maintained fence, and I will defeat him.

It's not accommodated. It's grueling country, too. Towns are usually worse: they're older, pre-bulldozer, and consequently usually have astonishingly steep hills.
 
I was a bike messenger in NYC in 2000-2001, yeah even the slowest messenger is at least double the speed of cars in traffic.

I still bike, I'm lazy now, & my time more valuable I got an eBike, handy in this hilly area.
 
So I open the floor;
Do you bike in an urban locale? Manual or e-bike? Is it safe? Is your city working to accommodate bikes and buses as many US cities are finally starting to do? Could you outrun police if you assassinated a morally bankrupt CEO? Please discuss!
Almost daily in Munich - manual mountain bike - i hope it's safe..but yup - there are many many buses driving here, and most roads have cycle paths.
I could go ~35kmh but ofc you almost never have a clear path for that in cities. When i bike just for fun i drive on field & forest ways.
 
It's been decades since I was last able to ride a bike. Red Deer has miles and miles of hiking and biking trails throughout the park system. It's possible to go all the way across town and out into the county and never have to ride on the street other than to cross, since the trails connect so well.

Of course you do need to be aware of your surroundings. There are some homeless people who camp off the trails, and it's also part of the wildlife migration corridor. So you could encounter deer, moose, bobcats, etc.
 
Our bike trails go through a fair bit of forested land. There are some really nice areas with lots of trees, and the trail winds its way next to a creek, or by the river. In certain spots at the right time of year, you can even pick some saskatoons to munch on since the bushes grow right next to the trail.
 
I used to bike to work every day but now I'm too far away and it's too much uphill. It was mostly safe except when drivers tried to kill me, which happened roughly once a day. I could move faster than traffic when it was waiting at lights or gridlocked.
 
I use my bike for pretty much any trip within the city or to the adjacent towns. One of the very few exceptions is too much ice and/or snow (more than half a meter is really not fun to bike in).

How safe I feel, really depends on the route and the time of day. I often use slightly longer routes which are safer.

There are definitely routes which are faster by bike than by car in rush-hour traffic. I actually don't think there is a faster way to get to work than by bike at typical office hours.
 
Tried it a few times ten years ago, but my access to the city involves a 2-mile approach on a state highway and I had 3 near-accidents and decided, screw it. Much as I love Alabama, its highways ain't bike friendly.
 
The assassin who killed the CEO of United Healthcare in New York City today fled on an E-Bike and still hasn't been caught.


Some kind of professional with a silencer?

Goes to show bikes in the city really work to get around town.


How have they not caught this guy?
Is he Jason Bourne? :eek:

UHC is like the biggest healthcare company in the world by revenue!


Personally, I used to ride a bicycle around my college town.

It was ok, but cars are way better.
 
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Do you bike in an urban locale?
I've been hamstrung (literally) since moving to Cleveland, although the hamstring is recovering nicely now that I'm finally seeing a physical therapist. I probably should have done that months ago, but the deductible on my medical plan isn't that low and I'd been postponing it hoping things would heal on their own. Darn medical system. Thus I haven't biked a lot in my current city.

But I have a little bit. There's a nice arts-and-entertainment area about 40 blocks west (blocks are small here, also about 40 minutes' walk) that I can get to on residential and low-traffic streets, or via a significantly hillier and longer-distance bike path. Both are pretty safe and easy routes (when not injured). I've walked there and I've biked there. Even hamstrung, it felt safe on both routes, though I preferred the flat street route while injured.

The next neighborhood southeast is also best accessed by bike, with bike lanes along the route. Its parking is limited, there's a bus but you have to pay attention to the route timings if you don't want to be waiting for it, and it's about a half-hour-to-forty-minute walk one way - doable, but biking makes the distance much more reasonable. I plan to visit there much more next year when my knee is healthy.

Downtown is easily accessed by public transit. I usually take the train, sometimes I take the bus home. Once a week or so I walk home. It's also bikeable though, there are bike lanes on the bridges to downtown, although bike parking once you get downtown is not necessarily as plentiful as one would hope. Still, I hope to occasionally bike to work next year. Our new office will have on-site bike parking, unlike our current one, which will help.
Manual or e-bike?
My bike is a manual hybrid bike. I bought it for recreational purposes, and biked over 1000 miles per year on it, recreationally, form 2021 through 2023. I can see the benefit of e-bikes on those rides where I misoverestimated my stamina or in a hilly urban setting, but for what I bought it for, the exercise is one of the main side benefits (the exploration and the endorphins are the main benefits).

A road bike would be more practical in the city, but for fun I prefer trail riding, including unpaved trails, mainly crushed limestone. I even take my bike on mountain bike trails from time to time, and while it can't handle the really gnarly ones, it is passable on a fair number of them. And for that mixed use case (and without storage space for multiple bikes), a hybrid is the perfect jack-of-all-trades, master-of-none.

Is it safe?
In Cleveland, at least on the near west side and downtown where I am the most? Actually yes. You don't want to be on the main throughfares, but there are plenty of much lower-traffic side streets that are good, safe alternatives, and there are decent-size bike lanes on the main throughfares that are occasionally required, like the bridges across the river.

In Columbus? No, unless you can get where you're going via one of the recreational trails (which is a pretty decent network but not focused on practical destinations). They did finally add one protected bike lane, many years after the much smaller nearby town of Xenia, Ohio, but too many practical routes depend on travel along highly trafficked roads. I'll explore downtown Columbus by bike in the middle of the workday when traffic volumes are low, but close to rush hour or when events are going on? Forget about it.

You also have to watch out for the urban deer in Columbus. They like the bike trails, especially near the river on the north side of town, but I've seen a few on the south side too. They're friendly but if anything a bit overly trusting.

The safest city I've experienced for urban biking is New York City. I didn't expect that at all but I felt about 50 times as safe while biking there, as a newcomer to the city, as I had in Columbus. The dedicated infrastructure and the fact that motorists are familiar with bicycles makes a huge difference.

Is your city working to accommodate bikes and buses as many US cities are finally starting to do?
Cleveland is doing a pretty decent job of it. They've built out a workable system of bike lanes and made sure they're wide enough that you aren't afraid you'll be clipped. They've also built out a decent network of recreational trails (some of which take you places that are practical as well as recreational), and are exploring two different "midway" bike routes that would add dedicated two-way bike lanes in under-utilized roads, similar to what New York City has done on some streets. They've done a respectable job for a city that until recently was facing continually-shrinking population and economic resources. In a way that lower-urban-density situation has helped them by letting some side streets by good alternatives even without dedicated infrastructure investment.

Columbus passed a levy last month that includes hundreds of millions of dollars for bike trails and lanes and sidewalks (and even more than that for busses). So yes, they are finally taking multi-modal transit seriously. But that only takes them to on-par-with-Cleveland multi-modal transit funding after decades of being behind, so it'll take years, probably decades, for the infrastructure to close the gap.

Thus, in the meantime, Cleveland also has a major advantage in that it's pretty realistic to bike for part of your route somewhere and take the bus or train for another part of it. I saw someone doing that this morning, biking to the train station, hopping on the train with her bike, and possibly biking to her final destination after departing the train. A lot of U.S. cities don't have good enough public transit for that sort of multi-modal trip to be feasible, but in a lot of areas in Cleveland proper, that is feasible.

Could you outrun police if you assassinated a morally bankrupt CEO?
Oddly, that is a question that I'd never considered before today.

Can you go faster than local car drivers?

After a baseball game, probably.

The funny thing is since I have only driven to work once since I moved here (on the day my car was at the mechanic), I don't have a good sense for how fast local cars travel at rush hour. But perhaps because public transit is fairly good, with busses and trains, my impression is that traffic is fairly light for a city of Cleveland's size. Thus I doubt I could outpace the typical driver leaving downtown after rush hour.
 
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Do you bike in an urban locale?
I used to when I was younger in Birmingham, UK, although haven't cycled since my bike was stolen a while back. My grandfather was a pro cyclist, so I have a similar cyclist's physique. I'd cycle at least 10 miles per day, and this was mainly on a dual carriageway with heavy traffic, no cycle lane. I used to have fun racing the bus, and would usually win.

Manual or e-bike?
Manual

Is it safe?
I felt safer on a bike than a motorbike. And on the days that I took the leisurely route along the canal tow path, I was more worried about falling in the canal than I was about the traffic on the road. Night times on country lanes could be a bit scary.

Is your city working to accommodate bikes and buses as many US cities are finally starting to do?
My current city is doing some token efforts, although they aren't well thought out. There's lots of cycle paths that are part of a supposed network, but no one uses them. The council is currently digging up the main road to expand the pavement for a cycle lane, which is causing huge disruption. It will link to an already existing cycle lane which is unsafe as it crisscrosses a bus lane. I think it will be mainly used by the uber eats riders rather than commuters.

Could you outrun police if you assassinated a morally bankrupt CEO?
I'd like to think so.
 
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How have they not caught this guy?
Is he Jason Bourne? :eek:

Here is a picture of his face they got from a hotel.


He also put messages on the shell casing.

https://www.newsweek.com/united-healthcare-ceo-shooting-message-may-have-been-left-bullets-1995856

According to ABC News, which cited police sources, three shell casings recovered from the scene were emblazoned with the words "deny," "defend" and "depose." Newsweek contacted the New York Police Department press office for comment by telephone on Thursday outside of regular office hours.
 
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