Do you think Civ V is doomed?

Discussion in 'Civ5 - General Discussions' started by Shmike, Jan 5, 2011.

  1. Luckystrike77

    Luckystrike77 Prince

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    Yeah! International trade routes, also used for more interaction with the city states is a very good idea for the expansions. This game has so much great potential.
     
  2. Drakarska

    Drakarska Epic Dadness

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    Apolyton. CTP 2. Still having a blast with it.
     
  3. tylor

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    Easy. Dwarf Fortress. Also C-Evo is an interesting Civ variant, very different from any commercial Civ version.
     
  4. Drakarska

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    Agreed on C-Evo. The AI regularly hands me my gluteous maximus on the higher difficulties.
     
  5. BammBamm

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    Not only 'No' but...

    HELL, No!
     
  6. SuperJay

    SuperJay Bending Space and Time

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    Okay. Off the top of my head, I can think of Team Fortress 2, Europa Universalis 3, Portal, Minecraft, Victoria 2, Dwarf Fortress, Left 4 Dead 2, Battlefield: Bad Company 2, Counter Strike: Source, Football Manager 2011, Guild Wars, Half-Life 2, Company of Heroes, Command & Conquer Generals, C&C Red Alert, Diablo 2, Audiosurf, and Torchlight.

    Oh... and Civilization 4. ;)

    Replayability is not Civ 5's strong suit, unfortunately.
     
  7. Garett20

    Garett20 Prince

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    I can't believe I'm the first one to quote this but here goes... It's always darkest before the dawn (dawn being Civ5 expansion/civ 6)

    /Huddles down behind a wall and expects a lot of angry response
     
  8. markantony

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    That is not going to happen. It never will for any game that features DLC.
     
  9. CivFanaticMan

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    doomed as a Civ game, but not doomed as a strategy game. Lets face it, Civ5 is a STRATEGY game now, not a Civ builder. While Civ has always been strategy oriented, there was immersion in the previous games. Now its just a game, just an average game. Thats my big problem with Civ5.
     
  10. sqeaky

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    Ancient Domains of Mystery! ( http://www.adom.de/adom/download.php3 )

    :trophy: :king: :viking:
     
  11. sucksforyou112

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    Like someone else mentioned, this game was like Spore in my opinion- Way overhyped, then turns out it was dumbed down to appeal to the masses. In both, I gave it three tries or so. After, I set both down, utterly discontent. :cry:

    But no, I do not think CiV is doomed. Like Spore, it really does appeal to the masses, and will sell well regardless, as it has.
     
  12. lschnarch

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    Yes.
    I took this quote as an example.

    Most people hoping for improvements by patches/expansions are actually expressing their hope that the game changes.

    So, to repeat the question:
    Yes, it is.
    People still putting their hope into it actually are expecting most of the initial core ideas to be changed.

    The concept of the "mysterious diplomacy" already was put into the garbage bin.
    Read what defenders of the "1upt" system are writing: "I love '1upt', if only it weren't 1upt."
    Another core idea which actually is praised not for being "1upt", but for no longer being SoD.

    CivV is doomed. It cannot be fixed to the expectations of most of the players without making it non-CivV.
    The core concepts have been mis-designed, as sad as this may be.

    It might become a decent game after many more patches, but then it won't be anything similar to the initial release anymore.
     
  13. AfterShafter

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    Yeah, I think it can be saved. Needs a lot of polishing, but I think with tweaks and significant AI work they can get it to be a pretty damned sweet game. It's already fun, but, it definitely needs things worked out.
     
  14. Markstar

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    Doomed +1 :(
     
  15. lynxxyarly

    lynxxyarly Warlord

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    I don't think you guys understand the concept of free to play games. None of those games I quoted
    Are free to play. You have to buy all of them to play them.

    Free to play games are like league of legends or maple story. Basically any game that you can play for free but includes a micro transaction cash store is a free to play game.

    What you list is are buy once and play forever games. There is a difference.
     
  16. basta

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    You quoted me, so reply I must! ;)

    I do not think that the laundry list you cited from me is undoable--the point of my answer was that CiV is unfinished, and that the new mechanic of 1upt demanded so much developmental resources that the rest is just bare bones. That list is just getting the game to the point where it should have been at release.

    So yes! I want changes, I expect changes, and pretty big ones at that. Firaxis sent a preemie out into the world and they know it, and I expect quite a scramble on their part to get it properly patched and playable, seeing as this is a lead title/franchise. Look at their catalog: they have a very big incentive to assure CiV's success and the next 12 months should be very interesting; either they finish their game or their game is finished.
     
  17. SuperJay

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    I was responding to someone who compared the replayability of Civ 5 to Starcraft 2, alleging that SC2 was the only game out there that offered replayability on par with Civ 5. Since I find that Civ 5's replayability is sorely lacking, I listed a lot of other examples of games that ARE enjoyable to play many times. (And Civ 5 isn't a free to play game itself, so I'm not sure what the point was there.)
     
  18. sun_nova

    sun_nova Chieftain

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    I don't think it's doomed, but it needs a HUGE expansion pack or two and some patches. Global happiness for example is a terrible idea and really needs to go. So does building and road maintenance cost for that matter. 1UPT works for military units, but civilain units should be allowed to stack. I hate how science works too, the slider was much better and didn't encourage ICS like the pop based science does. There's also the problem with incredibly slow production. I understand that units need to cost much hammers because of 1UPT, but why must the same apply to buildings?
     
  19. Geddy

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    To answer the question....

    Yes.
     
  20. elthrasher

    elthrasher Revcaster

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    Doomed as doomed can be, doncha know!

    This thread is funny. The real question on all our minds is when will Civ V stop beating its wife?
     

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