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Do you think the Jews should be a playable civ in Civ5?

Do you think the Jews should be a playable civilisation in Civ 5?

  • Yes definitely, with the original game

    Votes: 12 15.4%
  • Yes but with expansion packages

    Votes: 11 14.1%
  • Maybe

    Votes: 10 12.8%
  • Never

    Votes: 35 44.9%
  • I am indifferent and would not notice if they exist or not (in the game)

    Votes: 10 12.8%

  • Total voters
    78
I really don't care that much. If they decide to do it and come up with a good UB and UU (if those still exist in Civ5), then why not. But I think the'll just stick with some of the "old" civliations and add some exotic new ones if they do it at all.
 
No the Hebrews had a decent empire for a short amount of time, but throughout their history they were enslaved or conquered for the majority of time, the Egyptians, Romans, Assyrians, Babylonians, the Persians, and the Greeks. When they were independent they were also unable to unite, I'm not into the bible so i can't remember off hand, but weren't there 7 different tribes before they united.
 
Maybe, but I think that if they were to add such a relatively minor group they should add the much more powerful civs that are also left out, ie. Mughal Empire, Turks (not Ottomans, I'm talking about the ancient Gokturks who once ruled an empire stretching from Crimea to Manchuria), Mexico or Austria-Hungary.
 
I put that I don't care.

I think theres lots of civilisations that are more deserving... but it wouldn't really bother me either way.
 
in short YES :cool:
 
No, I don't like the idea of them as a civ, there are too many others that deserve a spot ahead of them. They were just too minor a power through most of history.

Their main contribution as a society of their own (not counting their contributions in the context of being members of other societies) is Abrahamism, and this is already reflected with the inclusion of Judaism. Judaism itself isn't much of a world religion (how many adherents? 13 million, probably only half of them actually religious?). However, I think the Jews should be represented somehow, but it's a little difficult justifying their inclusion as a civ. Thus the inclusion of Judaism is a fair compromise.
 
I put never, as the term 'jews' stand more for a religion than people for me. And that's already in the game. Hebrew, maybe.
 
Their contribution to world civilization was mostly cultural and were never an empire in the sense the tradition civs in the game have been.
 
I think this PC garbage should be a bannable offense. If anything, several existing civs need to be removed/merged, and that's it. We're done, forever.
 
Their contribution to world civilization was mostly cultural and were never an empire in the sense the tradition civs in the game have been.

You mean like, for example...

Mali, Khmer, Korea, Carthage, and the Zulu?

After all, Carthage's biggest contribution to the world was being delenda ested.
 
No to the Jews ( if we put Jews, why not Bahai or Scientology? ), a maybe to Hebrews.....
Because Judaism is an actual religion and not just a sect (like the Baha'i) or a cult like Scientology?

@Edgewaters - I think there is probably a higher proportion of religious Jews than of religious Christians, given that many Christian states are secularising and de-emphasising or disestablishing religion (even in Britain, which is nominally a Christian state with an official church, church attendance is at rock bottom). It is a minority world religion but it gave rise to Christianity, one of the widest spread world religions. As someone going out with a religious Jew, I also find that idea slightly offensive and would point out that you need to do your homework on religion, belief and understanding the longevity of Judaism as a world religion as opposed to e.g. Zoroastrianism or Mithraism etc.

I still think they should be a civ only as a mod or in an expansion pack, but it's probably time to give them some space. I think most people who answer this are answering out of political viewpoints, which is sad considering there are some obnoxious modern tyrants in the game e.g. Stalin and Mao who did worse to their own people and got away with it. As my friend from Belarus at the time of the Iraq war said, "the only reason the Americans don't invade Belarus is that Lukashenko is only oppressing Belarussians". Ergo, the only reason Stalin and Mao are in the game - if you want to get political about it - is that they only oppressed Russians and Chinese. In fact as I've said on the other thread, Israel is the only functioning western style democracy in the Middle East; I know western democracies aren't perfect but they are a darn sight better to live under than a Syrian or Iranian or Egyptian style authoritarian one-party state.
 
Maybe, as the Hebrews.

Definitely Maybe.

And don’t even try to change my mind about this one.
 
I think there is probably a higher proportion of religious Jews than of religious Christians, given that many Christian states are secularising and de-emphasising or disestablishing religion (even in Britain, which is nominally a Christian state with an official church, church attendance is at rock bottom). It is a minority world religion but it gave rise to Christianity, one of the widest spread world religions. As someone going out with a religious Jew, I also find that idea slightly offensive and would point out that you need to do your homework on religion, belief and understanding the longevity of Judaism as a world religion as opposed to e.g. Zoroastrianism or Mithraism etc.

Let's see here. Non-practicing Christians ... well, except some Catholics, they usually don't consider themself Christian. Most who self-identify as Christian are practicing, because it's not generally considered an ethnicity as well, like being Jewish is. And even if there were only 10% of self-identified Christians practicing, they would outnumber practicing Jews 30 to 1 or so.

Longevity compared to Zoroastrianism? Hmmm ... well lets see ... Zoroastrianism is still around, and dates from nearly as far back as Judaism. It just has even fewer followers, and that's the only reason it's not really considered a world religion today (250k followers, I think, it is to Judaism what Judaism is to other major world religions).

I did make mention that Judaism did indeed have a huge impact in that it was the root of all the Abrahamic religions. And I further stated that for that reason, Judaism ought to have a place in the game and I agreed with its inclusion as a religion, as a compromise - since including it as a civ in the base game seems a little much (then we'll have to include the Canadians and the Welsh and Scots and every other tiny group - I am all of these things, but not so stubbornly vain to think we need inclusion).

Scotland, actually, is a relatively good case example of why Judaism is a good compromise for inclusion and why Israel just doesn't merit being included as a civ. Scotland is just as old, in fact, has been in continuous existance far longer. It has been under foreign domination for far less of its existance (only since 1707; heck, in 1603, it was a Scottish king on the English throne!). It has produced many great thinkers and scientists (Alexander Graham Bell, Adam Smith, etc). Under the British Empire, Scots formed the backbone of the British military, and practically conquered the world. Scotland even has a sort of diaspora, with nearly 30 million Scots outside the borders (five times as many as the Jewish diaspora). But, it is nonetheless a minor power, and Scots and people of Scottish descent are not so vain as to demand otherwise. You just don't see that many Scots clamouring for the inclusion of Scotland.

It's not the people who don't want Israel included that are being political, I think ... quite the opposite ... you just don't hear this kind of fuss about including other bit players like Scotland. Let alone people making paranoid accusations about political supporters of Stalin and Mao being everywhere! Commies lurking in every shadow, foisting their agenda on popular entertainment! Oh no! It's the 1950s!

So ironic that you should make accusations about others being political, while you engage in neo-McCarthyism ...
 
Sure, as long as the Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, etc all can be playable civs....

I could stand the Hebrews perhaps, but I'm inclined to agree with other posters that there are better choices before this.
 
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