Does BtS Philo minimize the strength of spiritual?

[NaZdReG]

Gotta love the new change, and the buff to great people
(no anarchy for civics changes, double gp points during golden ages)

while tech popping is optimum, techs like music that give you a free great artist basically equal free civics change and production output if you have no good use for them.

also a good way to use up redundant great spys etc.

any of the specialist econ players want to weigh in on this? is the power of golden ages boosted enough to justify not tech popping off of great people?

NaZ

 

[InvisibleStalke]

I doubt it - for a philo leader. Golden ages might allow you the civics switch, but you are going to get less benefit with a SE than you would with a cottage economy - because there is no bonus to population working as specialists. And if you put your people to work to maximise the golden age, then you aren't going to get the GPP from running caste system or the production bonus from slavery either (why whip population that are getting bonus hammers and commerce).

For a cottage economy its totally different and spending your great people on golden ages and getting free civics switches makes a lot of sense. The free civics switch is a bonus but a CE will do a lot with a golden age anyway as everyone is working tiles.

I don't think saving a turn or two of anarchy is worth a great person to a SE until perhaps very late in the game.

With spiritual you can do this without costing your great people - and do it often. I don't think spiritual loses hugely when running an SE due to frequent slavery/org religion or theology and caste system/pacifism switches. But it might weaken Mansa - spiritual financial might lose a lot of its edge.

 

[MangleMeElmo]

Eh? I never heard anything about these civics being tweaked. Some one wanna fill me in?

 

[EEE_BOY]

I doubt it - for a philo leader. Golden ages might allow you the civics switch, but you are going to get less benefit with a SE than you would with a cottage economy - because there is no bonus to population working as specialists. And if you put your people to work to maximise the golden age, then you aren't going to get the GPP from running caste system or the production bonus from slavery either (why whip population that are getting bonus hammers and commerce).

For a cottage economy its totally different and spending your great people on golden ages and getting free civics switches makes a lot of sense. The free civics switch is a bonus but a CE will do a lot with a golden age anyway as everyone is working tiles.

I don't think saving a turn or two of anarchy is worth a great person to a SE until perhaps very late in the game.

With spiritual you can do this without costing your great people - and do it often. I don't think spiritual loses hugely when running an SE due to frequent slavery/org religion or theology and caste system/pacifism switches. But it might weaken Mansa - spiritual financial might lose a lot of its edge.

100% GPP points during golden age makes it a lot worth with SE

 

[InvisibleStalke]

100% GPP points during golden age makes it a lot worth with SE

Maybe thats a bit more useful then. I can't imagine using a golden age that costs more than one GP though - how many extra GPs are you likely to get back?

If you are running caste+pacifism and are either philo or have national epic, then that +100% is diluted quite a bit by the +200% you are already getting. It becomes only +33%. You would have to generate at least two GPs to make this worthwhile - otherwise you are just spending a GP to make one. Personally I think this is still pretty dubious.

Getting the Taj Mahal is much more worthwhile to a SE than it was before. And if you have the wonder that adds 50% to golden ages then the payback might be worth it. Otherwise I would just put all your Great People to immediate use.