Does C3 accurately reflect the world of today?

[Cyrai]

This thread is mainly about gloabl economy, and C3's lack of it. Gloabl economy is huge today. Nearly every single country is connected, with almost everything being shared, despite the fact that someone is from a different country.
The place this has the largest impact is science. Science today is very little like C3's model of today. In C3, you do not have a tech unless you buy it or research it. But, save for military technology, nearly every scientific advance is spread throughout the world. When scientists come up with an idea, they don't selfishly hoard it so that only they reap the benefits; instead companies start to implement the new technology in every country. If America were to invent a new type of metal that was stronger than anything we had now, it would be available to car companies, construction firms, or factories in Japan, Germany, Spain, and nearly everyhwere else.
The idea of every nation being entirely seperate is fading. Countries are becoming more and more entertwined and enmeshed with each other. People are starting to do things for everyone, not for their own country and only their own country. So why does C3 still pit the countries against each other in the Modern Era? It's not accurate, and it would never be able to produce a world like ours, where the countries are looking out for everyone, and not just themselves.

 

[Zouave]

"Does C3 accurately reflect the world of today?"


Even a stoned Homer Simpson, reeking of marijuana, wouldn't think it does. As for technology, you can also simply sell it to the highest bidder, as Clinton sold our nuclear secrets to China for campaign cash. Ah, the Global Economy - his version.

But I can think of about sixty more serious problems about Civ III, though, than this one, valid though it is.

 

[dikwhit]

Exactly what else would a stoned Homer Simpson reek of?
only other choice would be open faced club sand-wedge.

 

[JoseM]

Originally posted by Cyrai
If America were to invent a new type of metal that was stronger than anything we had now, it would be available to car companies, construction firms, or factories in Japan, Germany, Spain, and nearly everyhwere else.

Hmm you are wrong, there are many new technologies or new kind of invented stuff that are still maintained secretly by the goverments, i dont know where u got the idea that if the usa creates a new type of metal then it would be avaible to everyone. If the usa develops a new metal (which i think they did) then they will keep it in secret to military pourposes, like with many things created that the public dont know yet.

Originally posted by Cyrai

The idea of every nation being entirely seperate is fading. Countries are becoming more and more entertwined and enmeshed with each other. People are starting to do things for everyone, not for their own country and only their own country. Where the countries are looking out for everyone, and not just themselves.

Again i dont know where u got this idea, a good example that you are wrong can be about nuclear technology, the USA is the #1 country who doesnt want to see a nuclear proliferation in the world, thats why they are threatening IRAN and IRAQ, and Bush is the #1 person saying that he wouldnt want to look countries like iraq or iran having nuclear weapons. Also there is a treaty in which no countries can have nuclear weapons. Anyways india and pakistan violated that treaty last decade. There are many examples that countries still making their things for themselves and again i dont know where u got the idea that every country is looking out for everyone, which i think is a fatal lie.

I hope i didnt offended you, but the world is not a paradise or anything like this, and i heard that clinton sold nuclear secrets to China, well thats weird, and like the guy said, the money from that sell was used to his presidential campaign.

 

[J-S]

Originally posted by Cyrai
Science today is very little like C3's model of today. In C3, you do not have a tech unless you buy it or research it. But, save for military technology, nearly every scientific advance is spread throughout the world.

I totally agree with you. There should be something like that non-millitary science discoveries are shared to every civ in the modern era (or once a certain tech like "Globalization" is discovered) BUT the civ that discovers it gets a gold bonus or something (representing the overall benefits obtained from the "sale" of the "trademarks"?). Like in CtP2 where the first to discover "Construction" would get a 10% production bonus.

Good thinking Cyrai

 

[Lt. 'Killer' M.]

Does C3 accurately reflect the world of today?

 

[Zachriel]

Does C3 accurately reflect the world of today?

Yes. That is why the Americans have recently reelected Lincoln for a 1500th 4-year term in office.

 

[Dinorius R.]

I think we should draw a distinction between science and technology.

Cyrai is basically right about scientific knowledge (apart from government sponsored military research) being shared very rapidly around the world, especially in modern times.

It is technology, the practical spin-off from fundamental science, which is more often guarded as a trade secret or the subject of patents etc. It's only "shared" if there's a profit in it for the developer. This is not sharing, it's capitalism in operation.

Civ3's "science" tree is really a mixture of basic science and technology and maybe that's where this debate is a bit confused.

For the sake of a simple game, it's much easier to treat both science and invention or technology as the same thing. Let's face it, Civ is just a facsimile of real history and fine points of detail like the above are not really the stuff of games.

 

[Mîtiu Ioan]

It's just a game !!!

It's main purpose is to be playable and well-balanced ( here isn't all O.K. in my opinion ... ), and just after those two main priorities - to give as much realism as possible.

Regards.

 

[Dark Sheer]

I would say Civ3 is as close to the real world as is possible without taking away the fun.

I do agree that alot of the technologies are safeguarded by the various government so they can maintain a lead on other country (such as US's stealth technology) which is well portrait in Civ3 (at least by the players, heh). As to free trading of tech in the very beginning, that is quite true as well. While the ancient government do guard certain secrets, the craftsman do not. If you are a proud inventor/craftsman in the ancient days, you would want the things invented/crafted by you to spread as far as possible (without getting yourself put to dead by the government of course ).