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Does Race exist?

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by haroon, May 8, 2019.

  1. bernie14

    bernie14 Filter Manipulator

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    As long as you don't disturb my porn or take my stash....everyone is equal!!! and I'll defend that to the death....as long as i can have my porn and stash...
     
  2. Senethro

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    Maybe if racists didn't want to be insulted, they shouldn't have behaved such that "racist" became an insult.
     
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  3. haroon

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    but if anyone end up to be one is already an auto self insult :confused:
     
  4. Berzerker

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    opposing open borders is racist?
     
  5. Senethro

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    Have you seen Brexiteers?
     
  6. El_Machinae

    El_Machinae Colour vision since 2018 Retired Moderator

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    If you could read it again. It's not really about distribution of wealth. It's the idea that it's 'the taxes' are what measure your contribution to the whole. They don't, because taxes only approximately represent your captured share of the Producer Surplus. You'll see the idea a lot, that 'the rich's can measure their contribution because of their share of the taxation base. Doesn't really work that way.
     
  7. Estebonrober

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    Sure insults are easy(especially when accurate), but so is stating that humans are humans and closed borders will become a thing of the past or the species will perish inevitably.
     
  8. Berzerker

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    How did the species get here then?

    What was the racist comment you guys are complaining about?
     
  9. red_elk

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    Hehehe picked anti-immigration position in this thread, which is much easier to defend and in general, not necessary racist.
    But he gets attacked for his previous racist comments in other threads.
     
  10. Kyriakos

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    I don't think fully open borders (if more than a few percent of the population end up being illegals) is viable. I don't care about a few thousand illegals, but if you get to >5% being illegal there are both economic and crime issues, for you cannot really maintain order if you aren't even dealing with citizens. Furthermore, when one has no papers they have less opportunities as well, so if they are even a little inclined (or desperate enough) to do crime then they are sadly pushed to it more easily than actual citizens.
    There are also issues regarding relative compatibility of culture. Eg while levantines are imo easily compatible to europeans, the same seems to not be true about central asians.
     
  11. Zardnaar

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    I'm opposed to open borders but don't really care where migrants come from. Immigration is like a tap. Need more people turn it open. Full up turn it down.

    By full up I mean what the society can handle not literally packed to the gills.
     
  12. bernie14

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    How exactly did a thread about race become a discussion on immigration?
     
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  13. haroon

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    Genius question, maybe it somehow connected in a way :lol:
     
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  14. Manfred Belheim

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    That's quite a sweeping statement. Where is that coming from?
     
  15. Hehehe

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    I think I see what you mean. Sure, the value contributed by low wage workers probably is greater than the wage they're being paid (value they produce minus wages paid will end up snapped by the capitalist). But I have to imagine that the two are, at least on some level, quite connected. After all, if low wage workers contributed a lot of value, then surely they would be in a great position to bargain for bigger salaries?
     
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    Ease (and cost) of replaceability is the biggest determining factor of wages.
    Not the value added.

    Companies in matured economy sectors and matured product sectors are internally driven by cost only.
    Value is determined by what external processes are willing to pay.
     
  17. El_Machinae

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    Not really. That is a function of bargaining power, which is related to your ability to be replaced and who owns the capital. But it's not just that your wage determines the value of your output, it's also that taxation does not fully represent your contribution. It's a trick of math. Getting someone to accept a lower wage causes your taxes to go up, but it doesn't represent your contribution. By being employed, you are already contributing in a completely measurable way. The taxes paid by the business owner are a function of the value created by the employee and the capital and the business owner combined. Unpacking the three contributions, and their relative contribution, will be mostly a function of biased opinion.
     
  18. Estebonrober

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    Reality. If we can’t eventually make the tribalism that dominates our political nature include the entire human species eventually give a long enough time line one of these tribes is either going to miscalculate and be responsible for the eradication of life on earth or intentionally decide that life is not worthy of existing.

    The longer I watch humans at work that second option which seems so insane becomes more spooky in my mind.

    It should be noted this is on hundred year terms.
     
  19. caketastydelish

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    Biologically speaking there's no such thing as race. As for as it pertains to social structures within humans, it's a matter of time before it's abolished due to intermarriage between peoples from all over the world. It is inevitable and scientists have already predicted it.
     
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  20. Berzerker

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    Cant DNA researchers identify the race of people by their genetic codes?
     

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