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Domen vs Camikaze

Discussion in 'Infraction Review' started by leif erikson, Apr 26, 2015.

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  1. leif erikson

    leif erikson Game of the Month Fanatic Administrator Supporter GOTM Staff

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    Moderator Action: This thread has had two edits, otherwise it is straight out of the appeal forum. The first edit was the removal of all PM's sent by Domen and this was done at his request. The second edit was the addition of the internal infraction log data to allow you to see the original post and the reason it was infracted.
    Please read the forum rules: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=422889


    This is an appeal of an infraction (please see internal infraction thread) given to Domen by Camikaze of 3 Permanent Points, raising his total to 17 and triggering a 2-week ban.

    edit - extract of Internal Infraction Log added in spoilers below as members cannot see the link above:
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    This appeal is about Domen's belief that he did not deserve this infraction.

    The PM trail is quite long and was sent via PM in two parts.
    Part 1:
    Spoiler :
    <PMs redacted>


    Part 2:
    Spoiler :
    <PMs redacted>
     
  2. leif erikson

    leif erikson Game of the Month Fanatic Administrator Supporter GOTM Staff

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    I think he clearly insults Future PM and deserves this infraction.

    What is more problematic is that he does not seem to believe he has done anything improper. If he cannot understand what the problem is after all this time, how can we expect any reform of his behavior?
     
  3. illram

    illram Moderator Moderator

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    Exactly. This is why I think it is unwise to not uphold the entirety of other 4 points. This is just going to happen again, why wait?

    Vote to uphold, obviously.
     
  4. ori

    ori Repair Guy Super Moderator

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    This one is a clear cut case really - not withstanding the fact that Domen does not understand why it is a clear cut case. Calling someone either a troll or mentally challenged is sufficiently abusive to warrant an infraction and 3 permanent points are the standard for this on those on their last chance.

    As such I vote uphold.

    Also the reasoning he brings up as to why this is not warranted shows clearly that our message about civil posting behavior and the rules in general have not come accross and are unlikely to do so even if he gets a reprieve from his permanent ban for another last chance, so I share the view that offering that last chance is futile.
     
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    Obviously a warranted infraction, and I find his argument that asking someone if they're mentally ill or trolling is different from accusing them of being mentally ill or trolling so feeble as to be insulting in itself.
     
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    leif erikson Game of the Month Fanatic Administrator Supporter GOTM Staff

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    Lefty Scaevola Moderatus Illuminatus Super Moderator

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    I concur with leif erikson, Illram, Ori, and Plotinus above.

    Vote to uphold
     
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    leif erikson Game of the Month Fanatic Administrator Supporter GOTM Staff

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    Just got this back via PM from Domen when I asked if he would consent to allow PM to be publishes as a part of this thread:
    <PMs redacted>

    It looks to me as though this will be upheld as it is unanimous, 5 - 0.
     
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    leif erikson Game of the Month Fanatic Administrator Supporter GOTM Staff

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    Sent the following PM to Domen and Camikaze:
     
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